The Prog-Metal controversy

^ scanning through your reviews you're half way there anyway  

Slartibartfast wrote: Yeah, probably.  There's just so much stuff out there. You could well make the point that I've been unwittingly soaking in it a little.

Yeah, I'm still a little surprised at how well In Absentia clicked with me, but maybe not so much for being an old Crimson fan.

sircosick wrote: The T needs some vacations .... and stop being as fanboy as Mike; Micky wasn't bashing by any point; just you saw his comment as an attack to PM.. and not curiously you're both specialists on the field and are supposedly capable to spot a bashing act from an opinion as different things

Where am I being a fanboy? With all due respect - you don't automatically become a fanboy of DT once you say anything positive about them. That's exactly what's pissing me up ... there's a growing tendency to exclude DT-like bands from "good" prog metal. Like it's ok to appreciate prog metal as long as you don't like those bands. That's simply not ok IMO, since these bands are an integral part of prog metal and always will be.

@micky: With all due respect to you as well ... the thread is titled "The Prog-Metal controversy". How could there be a controversy without DT being mentioned?
 BTW: If the split of prog-metal goes through as planned you may find yourself not liking prog metal again ... because the bands you like will be moved to Avant/tech or Experimental/Post and the bands remaining in Prog Metal will be mostly the ones described as "DT-Clones" by some people. As far as I'm concerned the genre will still be very diverse, but what do I know ...


Edited by MikeEnRegalia - October 10 2007 at 02:17

i like prog metal very much, my favorite bands are Opeth,Fates warning, pain of salvation,ayreon,riverside,unexpect(i cannot stop listen to this band, awesome amazing music),anathema,blind guardian,canvas solaris,enslaved,evergrey,isis,tool,... list is to long to write them all 

There is a controversy involving Prog-Metal?

I'm trying to delve deeper into this genre (At a slow pace though ;P).  Anyone have suggestions?  I only have a few picky requirements ;)

1.  An alternative kind of sound (Tool, Rishloo, Radiohead) - I'm not that much of a fan of the straight tripleted 16th note riffs on one note at 180bpm that a lot of metal bands seem to like.  I suppose what I like is the less metal or maybe softer metal.
2.  No "death" vocals

Maybe Tool is the only prog metal band like this?

anekglagard wrote: I'm trying to delve deeper into this genre (At a slow pace though ;P).  Anyone have suggestions?  I only have a few picky requirements ;)1.  An alternative kind of sound (Tool, Rishloo, Radiohead) - I'm not that much of a fan of the straight tripleted 16th note riffs on one note at 180bpm that a lot of metal bands seem to like.  I suppose what I like is the less metal or maybe softer metal.2.  No "death" vocalsMaybe Tool is the only prog metal band like this?

....wha?

First, a note to anekglagard -- try Sieges Even's The At of Navigating By The Stars. Or  Pain of Salvation's Remedy Lane and Perfect Element Part 1 albums. Or Ayreon's Into The Electric Castle or even maybe The Human Equation (which I didn't think was that great, but lots of prog fans seem to like it). And I can't see how you've missed Riverside in all this (especially their first album).

cacha71 wrote: Every sub-genre has both positive and negative sides and in my collection I have music from nearly all of the sub-genres (except Zeuhl which I haven't explored yet).  I think it is important to listen to many examples of a particular kind of music before making a judgement on it - one may well be pleasantly surprised!  Personally, I tend to focus mainly on Crossover, folk and symphonic prog but I also include Dream Theater and Blind Guardian in my favourite band list

A funny note about this: I never talk about Zeuhl because I don't like Zeuhl or really even consider it prog. I one day went through every sample on the zeuhl section (all 20 of them -- well, each one until I couldn't stand it and moved on, as I did in some cases) just becase I wanted to see if I couldn't find anything. But some of you might notice that this is probably the first time I've posted about Zeuhl. It's not worth debating, and I'm certainly not going to take the time to go back and analyse all of it -- aside from some Ruins tracks, it would be pure torture. I could be wrong about Zeuhl. But that won't make me enjoy it, ever. So I just ignore it. Problem solved. And I wonder if these people who complain about prog metal would ever think do the same.

Oh, and I don't consider Blind Guardian prog either. And I'm never going to stop giving Mike a hard time about it.

MikeEnRegalia wrote: avestin wrote:   Try this link: Prog-metal for people who don't like prog-metal   I don't want to steer this discussion into DT territory again ... nevertheless I suspect that you could also have called this thread "Prog-metal for people who don't like DT-like bands".

What about the jerks who go on and on even past Dt-like bands?