Opeth?

Lanor wrote: I've really been there and done that.Absolutely loved them. Still Life is among my favourites of all times, and I'm assuming that's because of my attachment to it as the first I got into.I found it fairly difficult to get into them initially, most likely because of the death vocals, which are actually unlike any other in that they're not delivered in monotone. I'd often listen to a full song and wait for the softer sections because I loved them, and having to put up with the rest of it I ended up loving every part of Opeth equally.Their structures at first are a novelty."oo wow, heavyyy....woow...soffttt.. that was a biggg surprise there...this is so unpredictable"Then I realised an overall view reveals that's what the main gist of it is and the novelty wears thin.

If you think that's the only purpose of Opeth's music, then I don't think you ever understood them.

cursestar wrote: Lanor wrote: I've really been there and done that.Absolutely loved them. Still Life is among my favourites of all times, and I'm assuming that's because of my attachment to it as the first I got into.I found it fairly difficult to get into them initially, most likely because of the death vocals, which are actually unlike any other in that they're not delivered in monotone. I'd often listen to a full song and wait for the softer sections because I loved them, and having to put up with the rest of it I ended up loving every part of Opeth equally.Their structures at first are a novelty."oo wow, heavyyy....woow...soffttt.. that was a biggg surprise there...this is so unpredictable"Then I realised an overall view reveals that's what the main gist of it is and the novelty wears thin. If you think that's the only purpose of Opeth's music, then I don't think you ever understood them.

P.H.P. wrote: Yontar wrote: Firefly wrote: Gothenburg bands do melodies with death metal is a different way, or at least, the mood and vibe are completely different.  There's no Gothenburg in Opeth.  Oh and btw how so are the melodies different because i see several similarities with opeth and dark tranquilities early works (one of the most well known gothenburg bands). And on top of all of that if you have ever heard the album the jester race by in flames although it is slightly lighter than opeth, sonically there are a lot of comparisons i could make. If you really understand the idea behind Opeth you'll inmediately notice that they just don't play death metal, also you'll understand that they're not just another band, and the melodies and sophistication of Opeth are Prog rock inspired, certainly closer to rock than to metal, and I can really tell you In Flames or Dark Tranquility are not Prog rock inspired at all, those are just metal bands, death metal bands.

ok im assuming hear for a second that you have only heard opeth albums beyond still life. Orchid was extremely black metal and folk metal influenced, and you could easily lump morningrise in to the gothenburg category. Im not disagreeing that opeth isn't progressive but at the heart of things they are a metal band. Their newer material is a big departure from their earlier works but over 60% of the material falls into the black/death metal genre whether it is progressive or not. Their original intentions were to make metal that was focused on songwriting. I'm guessing you haven't heard many other heavy progressive metal bands otherwise you wouldn't say things like this. I would say that some of their material is more on the prog side of things, but dream theater is far lighter than opeth and THEY are considered prog metal, so why shouldn't a band that is twice as heavy as one of the founders of the genre be considered progressive metal as well????

Yontar wrote: ok im assuming hear for a second that you have only heard opeth albums beyond still life. Orchid was extremely black metal and folk metal influenced, and you could easily lump morningrise in to the gothenburg category. Im not disagreeing that opeth isn't progressive but at the heart of things they are a metal band. Their newer material is a big departure from their earlier works but over 60% of the material falls into the black/death metal genre whether it is progressive or not. Their original intentions were to make metal that was focused on songwriting. I'm guessing you haven't heard many other heavy progressive metal bands otherwise you wouldn't say things like this. I would say that some of their material is more on the prog side of things, but dream theater is far lighter than opeth and THEY are considered prog metal, so why shouldn't a band that is twice as heavy as one of the founders of the genre be considered progressive metal as well????

Don't make me laugh

I've heard all Opeth albums, and Opeth is Progressive Metal so as Dream Theater is.

EDIT: and Opeth by no means is Black metal, Opeth's music could appeal to black or death metal fans but that doesn't say much really about the factual music of Opeth.



Edited by P.H.P. - October 04 2007 at 22:55

Yontar wrote: um you haven't heard much black metal i assume. There is alot of extremely melodic black metal that could be compared with opeth easily. For example Bal Sagoth or Emperor both write lines very similar to opeth riffs just sped up. And in your previous you called Opeth rock more so than metal so don't tell me now that they are metal. Read your own posts before you post them.

I've obviously heard black metal, so that's why I'm saying what I'm saying..., so just don't assume anything...anyways black metal isn't my cup of tea,

Don't take me wrong, I said that Opeth's music is truly Prog ROCK inspired, I'm not saying they're a Prog Rock band, that would be just wrong, they're a Progressive Metal band, and so as Steven Wilson from Porcupine Tree himself said, that Opeth's music hasn't to do with metal at all, and he's talking about that Opeth's music doesn't feel like metal really, it is metal, but the feeling is more rock oriented than a true metal one.



Edited by P.H.P. - October 04 2007 at 23:54

Lanor wrote: Trickster F. wrote: cursestar wrote: [QUOTE=Lanor] I've really been there and done that.Absolutely loved them. Still Life is among my favourites of all times, and I'm assuming that's because of my attachment to it as the first I got into.I found it fairly difficult to get into them initially, most likely because of the death vocals, which are actually unlike any other in that they're not delivered in monotone. I'd often listen to a full song and wait for the softer sections because I loved them, and having to put up with the rest of it I ended up loving every part of Opeth equally.Their structures at first are a novelty."oo wow, heavyyy....woow...soffttt.. that was a biggg surprise there...this is so unpredictable"Then I realised an overall view reveals that's what the main gist of it is and the novelty wears thin. If you think that's the only purpose of Opeth's music, then I don't think you ever understood them.   And what is it exactly that someone is meant to understand about Opeth? I was a fan of the band for a long time man, I appreciate what Mikael does but I just know what to expect from the next album they bring out. I've heard their albums loved them all (especially Still Life as I said before), and as a conclusion of that, looking at everything they've done, thinking about all the albums mashed into one big picture, one overall view on the whole discography, I can see how formulaic it is. I only realised this when I stopped looking too deeply into Opeth. e.g. understanding.

hah, funny how I read this thread while listening to "Black Rose Immortal", which is 20 minutes of total awesome

I can certainly see the gripes people have about Opeth or any band with "cookie monster vocals" (I listen to a lot of these bands so personally I've learnt to ignore the vocals).  Personally I think Opeth should have taken a page from Camel's book (at least in the early days of Mirage, I'm no connoisseur of the band's entire career) and just omitted all of the growls.  This is different from "replacing" the growling with clean vocals because I'm suggesting that their songs have only a few vocal passages so that the listener can focus more on the actual instrumentation.

The occasional song with growling (demon of the fall, etc, those types of songs) wouldn't be such a big deal though.

EDIT: Oh also my favorite album is probably Morningrise... or My Arms, Your Hearse... maybe Still Life, I honestly don't know.  For a new listener I would definitely suggest Still Life though


Edited by Berenger - October 06 2007 at 21:42