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Revolver 
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Posted: October 02 2007 at 20:21 |
I have been listening to progressive rock music for ten years and I think The Beatles A Day In the Life has to one of the most influential proto-prog songs what's your opinion.
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Blacksword
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Posted: October 03 2007 at 06:22 |
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Yes, most definitely.
Sgt Pepper was a hugley influential album, for the whole prog movement that followed. 1967 was an important year. The Moody Blues, The Doors and Pink Floyd all had very influential albums out that year.
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Slartibartfast
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Posted: October 03 2007 at 06:30 |
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Yeah, I guess you could say progressive was really starting to sprout around then. I think it completely emerged with King Crimson in '69...
Of course Beatlewise, you can go back to Tomorrow Never Knows.
Edited by Slartibartfast - October 03 2007 at 06:31
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Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened... 
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Man Erg
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Posted: October 03 2007 at 06:40 |
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I read somewhere that Pink Floyd's, Piper at the Gates of Dawn and The Pretty Things, SF Sorrow were being recorded before or at least the same time at Abbey Road as Sgt. Pepper.
All three artists recorded for EMI Parlophone.
EMI apprently delayed the release dates of the Pink Floyd and Pretty Things albums until a few months after Sgt Pepper was released.About a year later in The Pretty Things case.
Edited by Man Erg - October 03 2007 at 11:48
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Do 'The Stanley' otherwise I'll thrash you with some rhubarb.
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Roskisdyykkari
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Posted: October 03 2007 at 09:48 |
 Blacksword wrote:
Sgt Pepper was a hugley influential album, for the whole prog movement that followed. 1967 was an important year. |
Excuse me, but I have to ask something that I have wanted to know for a very long time. Why does everyone say that Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band is so experimental and influential? Don't get me wrong, I'm a big fan of The Beatles and I like Sgt. Pepper, but seems to me like everyone always talks about that album just because it's a Beatles album. I mean, in my opinion Frank Zappa is the most influential (prog-)musician, without him there would be no prog. Frank Zappa's Freak Out (1966) sounds a lot more experimental than anything on Sgt. Pepper. "The Return of the Son of Monster Magnet" is 12 minutes long, and it features unusual instrumentation and experimental sound collages. That album should definitely be more appreciated. Not to mention the fact, that Freak Out influenced THE BEATLES to create Sgt Pepper. I mean, didn't Paul McCartney say something like "This is going to be our Freak Out", about Sgt. Pepper? It seems like The Beatles always gets the credits for everything, just because they are so famous. I like them a lot, but I'm also a fan of Zappa, and it makes me sad that Freak out is just so... dare I say it? UNDERRATED. I also think that The Who are responsible for creating progressive rock. The song "A Quick One, While He's Away" (1966) is a good example of this, even though it's not exactly "pure prog". 1967 was an important year, but in my opinion it all started in 1966. Still, it's very difficult to say the first prog album/song/band/etc. Albums like "The Thoughts Of Emerlist Davjack" by The Nice and especially "Days Of Future Passed" by The Moody Blues are possibly the earliest prog albums, but it's difficult to say for sure, because defining progressive rock is also difficult. A Day In The Life is one of the best songs ever in my opinion, and definitely progressive as well.
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Blacksword
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Posted: October 03 2007 at 11:14 |
Roskisdyykkari wrote:
Blacksword wrote:
Sgt Pepper was a hugley influential album, for the whole prog movement that followed. 1967 was an important year. |
Excuse me, but I have to ask something that I have wanted to know for a very long time. Why does everyone say that Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band is so experimental and influential? Don't get me wrong, I'm a big fan of The Beatles and I like Sgt. Pepper, but seems to me like everyone always talks about that album just because it's a Beatles album. I mean, in my opinion Frank Zappa is the most influential (prog-)musician, without him there would be no prog. Frank Zappa's Freak Out (1966) sounds a lot more experimental than anything on Sgt. Pepper. "The Return of the Son of Monster Magnet" is 12 minutes long, and it features unusual instrumentation and experimental sound collages. That album should definitely be more appreciated. Not to mention the fact, that Freak Out influenced THE BEATLES to create Sgt Pepper. I mean, didn't Paul McCartney say something like "This is going to be our Freak Out", about Sgt. Pepper? It seems like The Beatles always gets the credits for everything, just because they are so famous. I like them a lot, but I'm also a fan of Zappa, and it makes me sad that Freak out is just so... dare I say it? UNDERRATED.I also think that The Who are responsible for creating progressive rock. The song "A Quick One, While He's Away" (1966) is a good example of this, even though it's not exactly "pure prog".1967 was an important year, but in my opinion it all started in 1966. Still, it's very difficult to say the first prog album/song/band/etc. Albums like "The Thoughts Of Emerlist Davjack" by The Nice and especially "Days Of Future Passed" by The Moody Blues are possibly the earliest prog albums, but it's difficult to say for sure, because defining progressive rock is also difficult. A Day In The Life is one of the best songs ever in my opinion, and definitely progressive as well. |
I agree entirely about Zappas's 'Freak Out' But Sgt Pepper seems to have touched a greater number of people, listeners and musicians a like, and is therefore cited by artists such as Yes and Genesis as a major influence. Freak Out never gets a mention, and that is a shame. I would never claim that Sgt Pepper was the first prog album, but arguably the kost important proto album, bearing in mind it's influence. Another way of looking at it is, that Sgt Pepper put experimental music into the mainstream conciousness.
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andu
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Posted: October 03 2007 at 11:30 |
Roskisdyykkari wrote:
Blacksword wrote:
Sgt Pepper was a hugley influential album, for the whole prog movement that followed. 1967 was an important year. |
Excuse me, but I have to ask something that I have wanted to know for a very long time. Why does everyone say that Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band is so experimental and influential? Don't get me wrong, I'm a big fan of The Beatles and I like Sgt. Pepper, but seems to me like everyone always talks about that album just because it's a Beatles album. I mean, in my opinion Frank Zappa is the most influential (prog-)musician, without him there would be no prog. Frank Zappa's Freak Out (1966) sounds a lot more experimental than anything on Sgt. Pepper. "The Return of the Son of Monster Magnet" is 12 minutes long, and it features unusual instrumentation and experimental sound collages. That album should definitely be more appreciated. Not to mention the fact, that Freak Out influenced THE BEATLES to create Sgt Pepper. I mean, didn't Paul McCartney say something like "This is going to be our Freak Out", about Sgt. Pepper?
It seems like The Beatles always gets the credits for everything, just because they are so famous. I like them a lot, but I'm also a fan of Zappa, and it makes me sad that Freak out is just so... dare I say it? UNDERRATED. |
It's simple. Compare the exposure Sgt. Pepper had to the exposure Zappa's music had. It's documented, in Romania Sgt. Pepper was the fundamental event that made ALL the emerging rock'n'roll bands of the time to turn towards a progressive approach in 1967. And it happened due to exposure by the radio, namely due to the exposure from one radio show, the famous Cornel Chiriac "Metronom" show. He was so influential that the communist regime had to assassinate him when he went into exile, doing his show for Radio Free Europe.
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Revolver
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Posted: October 03 2007 at 11:56 |
Excuse me Rosk, I was talking about prot- prog songs. If you want to go back further with the Beatles I would start with Norwegian Wood in 1965 with the use of sitar and it was in Mixolydian mode. The Beatles recorded in 1966 Rain, Love You To, Tomorrow Never Knows, Eleanor Rigby and Strawberry Fields Forever in late 1966. Freak Out to me having listnening to it is garage rock music. I love the Doors but if you listen to the first album only The End and the long middle section of Light My Fire is what I call proto-prog.
Sgt. Pepper though has songs that sound nothing like being recorded in rock music at the time, Within You Without You , Benefit of Mr. Kite, She's Leaving Home, A Day in the Life , The hidden track at the end of the album and even Lucy in the Sky has the strange keyboard and sitar combination sounds unique. Then if you add the album contains no long pauses and the first two tracks verge into and really the last three tracks verge into each other. You add the album art, and there was not a single released and it became the biggest selling album ever at the time it was no wonder this album influenced so many future progressive rockers. The Doors and the Who are bands I listen to all the time but I don't think it is progessive as Revolver, Sgt Peppers or Magical Mystery.
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Chicapah
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Posted: October 03 2007 at 12:21 |
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I agree about its progness. I recall when it first came out and they played it on AM radio. It was like hearing music from another dimension entirely and when it was over I just had to shake my head in wonder. Those were amazing times when a song could change your whole world.
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Posted: October 04 2007 at 03:26 |
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i agree but for me is ''i want to [she so heavy]''
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