Meshuggah?

P.H.P. wrote: So far 6 people have voted for option 1: awful! so it's an option.  maybe you could pick option 2, don't know...

So.. ummm... what exactly is it that you are trying to prove here? You don't like Meshuggah. Ok, we got that. You don't hate it but know of people who hate it who you then acuse of not loving music even if you consider Meshuggah not to be music . Ooook.... Moving on, you consider Prog Music whatever you decide it to be when excluding all music you don't like or don't consider progressive (umm... does that mean that because I haven't gotten into Gentle Giant or Tangerine Dream they're not Prog?)

Meanwhile ignorant comments from everywhere keep you company (hey, if Meshuggah is noise, than Merzbow, which is also Noise, must sound the same; than than it means Yes and Pain of Salvation pretty much sound the same too, cause they're both Prog - or is it prog?! ) and you keep on telling us how you don't hate Meshuggah, but just consider it awful-awful music which should be banned from this site and possibly from everywhere around the world.

Look, sorry if I come off as an arrogant s.o.b., but you really should start being more open minded (the word gets thrown alot these days) and understand that you not liking a band means nothing beside you not liking a band. I too have a couple of bands I think don't belong on this site, but that's why we have a special sections of the forum for suggestions on here.

As for the vote, I went with Good, they're overall a good metal band because it wasn't quite the most balanced poll I've seen. Probably the fact that Meshuggah have sprunged an entire mini-genre of metal would matter very little.

#1floydfan wrote: well there deffinatley prog... im not a huge fan but there not bad a little to "hardcore" for me...

That's a good one! (definitely progressive/avant spelling here)

rushfan4 wrote: I haven't heard Merzbow yet. and quite frankly based on what I have heard on PA I am in no hurry to hear them.  But when listening to Catch 33 I imagined that is what Merzbow must sound like, because this album was just noise to me.

You'd be surprise in how wrong you are. He sounds nothing like Meshuggah and they're a flower field compared to Merzbow.

As stated before, P.H.P., the more you write the more you are indeed wrong. I've heard DT mention Meshuggah a few times and I'm assuming you are talking about the DVD. Opeth Mikeal Afakafhsghsg is influenced by Camel...dunno how but he is...the factual music doesn't have an extreme amount to do with it. Old Porcupine Tree is associated with a lot of Floyd..listen to their previous 4 albums..you would never guess it.

I've been seeing a lot of kids on my campus walking around in Octavarium shirts....it's disgusting, you're not a DT newb too right?

Tapfret wrote:   Like it or not, what is accepted in the field of Progressive music is not limited to Yes, Jethro Tull and ELP or bands that sound similar.  It is, as the name implies, a progression.  It can evolve from anywhere, any genre when artists refuse to be restrained by the boundaries of said genre.  And the fact is, not every prog fan is going to like every prog band. I know I don't.  As a matter of fact, there is much of Meshuggah I don't care for.

meshuggah's wacky

GoldenSpiral wrote:     clappies for you, sir.  well said!   This is the essence of progressive music.  Coming up with something new, expanding boundaries, finding a deeper level than your predecessors. The essence of Progressive music is to come with something new and fresh but something that still could be considered "good", because new doesn't imply "good". Bands that "follow the pre-established lines of what prog music has been" are not progressive at all, in fact they are regressing. Bands that follow SOME of the pre-established line, and that's the reason why we can recognize them as Prog.   So Meshuggah is a prime example of progression in metal.  There's something appealing to me about the sound of a giant steel furnace playing jazz... Meshuggah is a prime example of what happens when you go NOISY, please guys don't take Prog music as a simple matter of technicality, because doing that will be WRONG, Prog music isn't about how much complex or technical you can get, think well.

Edited by P.H.P. - September 28 2007 at 11:57

P.H.P. wrote: GoldenSpiral wrote:     clappies for you, sir.  well said!   This is the essence of progressive music.  Coming up with something new, expanding boundaries, finding a deeper level than your predecessors. The essence of Progressive music is to come with something new and fresh but something that still could be considered "good", because new doesn't imply "good". "Good" in any musical context, is completely subjective.  diff'rent strokes...   Bands that "follow the pre-established lines of what prog music has been" are not progressive at all, in fact they are regressing. Bands that follow SOME of the pre-established line, and that's the reason why we can recognize them as Prog.   Again, it's all about interpretation of definitions.  Whether it's "music that sounds like prog", or if it's "music that progresses"   So Meshuggah is a prime example of progression in metal.  There's something appealing to me about the sound of a giant steel furnace playing jazz... Meshuggah is a prime example of what happens when you go NOISY, please guys don't take Prog music as a simple matter of technicality, because doing that will be WRONG, Prog music isn't about how much complex or technical you can get, think well. It's not entirely a matter of technical.  I could name many metal bands that are extremely technical, but in no way progressive.  Meshuggah have carved out a sound that is entirely their own.  It's definitely not your cup of tea, and many people have the same feeling... it is difficult music to listen to.  But, if it's what you're into, then their relentless polyrhythmic time signatures, atonal riffs and dissonant harmonies are something to behold.

Bj-1 wrote: My absolute favorite metal band, as well as one of the most heavy, original and technically competent metal bands ever. Their songs are obviously carefully thought out and extremely well-composed. Those 'noisy' parts are meant to be there, and they fit perfectly and none of their material is weak or pointless. Of course, it's all a matter of taste (or moronic close-mindness) whenever people hate'em or like them. And they are progressive, notably I and Catch 33. Even their 1991 debut is quite proggy and is a awesome technical metal album overall with longer songs and frantic melody shiftings. I love this band!

Meshuggah are a complete waste of space.

Third rate metal and not remotely progressive. Rammstein are more progressive and generally a lot better than Meshuggah.