1800iareyay wrote: Agreed with riley/Ivan's post. ELP sold out long ago. Hell, Love Beach was a sellout album before Re-Works. I'm willing to forgive songs that appear on ads when a band doesn't have the rights to their own music, but to my knowledge ELP's own Manticore label owns the rights, so they put their music on air. BIll Hicks had an excellent rant on the sacrifice of artistic credibility that comes with selling out to ads. I could never hope to come close to the fire and accuracy of his diatribe, so check it out to sum things up nicely.

rileydog22 wrote: Chameleon wrote: micky wrote: rileydog22 wrote: micky wrote: heyitsthatguy wrote: if they had to do it for any drink, Dr. Pepper was by far the best choice they could've made pfffff...  Diet Coke my friend. Diet Coke blows.  Diet Pepsi kicks its sorry little ass.  diet pepsi with lime rules though   *spills diet coke in lap* *spills diet pepsi in Micky's lap* Woops, sorry about that.

hahahha.. happens all the time like today ... found an album review on the internet that instead of saying hard rock ....said hard cock.... whoops.....  I did spill my diet coke laughing so hard.

salmacis wrote: This isn't new, I'm afraid, Micky!! 'Karn Evil 9 1st Impression Part II' was used as the theme tune for ghastly UK game show 'The Generation Game' presented by the irksome 'comedian' (and ELP fan...) Jim Davidson. AFAIK, they recorded a special version for the show in the 1990s...

That doesn't count as it's not an ELP song in the first place.

bluetailfly wrote: Shakespeare wrote: I wouldn't really consider that selling out...........   Just out of curiosity, what would you consider it?

IF I happened to be an ELP fan watching the game, I would consider it a great excuse to quaff a cold one in celebration. Of course, If I was one of those prog elitists who believe that this music is best kept out of sight & hearing range from the masses so as not to disarm us of one of the illusions that lead us to think that we are superior because of our artistic tastes.
Get over it folks. I'm sure some of the "appalled" would just as readily whine that only the stereotypical classic 4/4 time caveman rock  (BTO RULES, MAN !) is used in such instances when many of our prog idols have compositions that would easily fit into the spirit of things due to the lyric matter & music.

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salmacis wrote: This isn't new, I'm afraid, Micky!! 'Karn Evil 9 1st Impression Part II' was used as the theme tune for ghastly UK game show 'The Generation Game' presented by the irksome 'comedian' (and ELP fan...) Jim Davidson. AFAIK, they recorded a special version for the show in the 1990s...

I wondered why that theme tune sounded familiar!

I wasn't thinking of The Generation Game though, I was thinking of that another gameshow that is similarly irksome.

These responses that are along the lines of, “get over it, the band is just putting prog rock out there to turn on a new generation of fans” are missing the point. That’s not why the band’s is doing it. They're doing it for money and in turn allowing a corporation to use their music to sell a product. Turning on new fans or any similar rationalization is a side benefit of it; but that’s not the reason their doing it.

 

ELP didn’t use the music for Dr. Pepper ads when BSS came out. Nor did they for a long time after that. And there was a reason for that. They didn’t want their music associated with Dr. Pepper or any other food product advertisement. And I think that’s because they believed that the music’s cultural importance as prog rock art wasn’t commensurate with junk food advertising. And I believe they were right in not allowing it to be used in that way. However, times changed and they changed their minds and decided that now it was okay to do it. I don’t like that decision. I value that music and believe they sold the music and its cultural legacy short.

 

I know I don’t own the music. I’m aware of that. ELP can do what they want with it. It’s their right. I just don’t like serious music used in this way--whether it’s Beethoven’s Ninth or Close to the Edge or A Plague of Lighthouse Keepers or Reich’s Trains or Karn Evel 9. I believe it undermines the credibility of the art and artists involved.

 

 

This Dr. Pepper ad is only one instance, so it’s easy to dismiss. But I guess what I’m responding to here is that I don’t like the potential trend. I wouldn’t appreciate the prog rock classics being used to sell Frito’s and Slim Jims.

Edited by bluetailfly - September 20 2007 at 00:42

Your all assuming ELP has any rights of refusal over such things.  I am sure like many other 70's musicians they do not own rights to the song nor does the band get any royalties except as songwriters.  There was a Subaru commercial using Dust in the Wind last year and the band Kansas had no say in its use.  It was all Sony and they received all the royalties and fees for its use except of a small royalty to Kerry Livgren as the songwriter.

Garion81 wrote: Your all assuming ELP has any rights of refusal over such things.  I am sure like many other 70's musicians they do not own rights to the song nor does the band get any royalties except as songwriters.  There was a Subaru commercial using Dust in the Wind last year and the band Kansas had no say in its use.  It was all Sony and they received all the royalties and fees for its use except of a small royalty to Kerry Livgren as the songwriter.   Before you accuse research.

ELP ownes manticore?