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neo eric
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Posted: September 26 2007 at 10:57 |
About "overrated"..
I hope everyone assumes that we're always talking about and presenting our OPINIONS, since not many do believe in rights and wrongs - considering the taste in such issues. Hence it's not (IMO) wrong to use "overrated".
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Blacksword
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Posted: September 26 2007 at 10:49 |
So many gems to choose from. Lifeson has a very unique style and sound. His work on the last Porcupine Tree album was very good. not his best solo, but instantly recognisable as him.
My favourites are:
Xanadu (overall favourite)
Between the Wheels
La Villa Strangiato
No one at the Bridge
Freewill
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rushfan4
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Posted: September 26 2007 at 10:41 |
Too many great moments to choose but one.
A stupid question that I might ask out of naivete is what constitutes a "solo". I think of a solo as unaccompanied and I don't know that Rush has that many of those type of moments. In most instances he has some great guitar playing going on, but usually there is also some drums, bass, and keyboards accompanying the guitars, so technically it is not a solo. In 2112, when he picks up a strange device that "when I touch it, it gives forth a sound" is sort of a solo but not of the "solo" variety.
I generally listen to music either listening to it as a whole or for the lyrics so I can't remember if the various guitar playing that are being mentioned are actually solos or just great guitar playing. The other thing is that for Rush, I have always tended to pay more attention to the drums and bass than to Alex's playing. I'm not a guitar player nor a musician so I don't tend to pick out the individual parts as well as others.
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staunchally
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Posted: September 26 2007 at 10:41 |
White Shadow wrote:
schizoid_man77 wrote:
Lifeson is an average pentatonic playing classic rock guitar player. I think we overblow his talent way me then what it really is!
La villa strangiato, probably one of his best for such a poor range. | back that up with examples because he definately uses many different modes and scales like Phrygian and locrian. I forget what one(s) is/are in locrian but I read somewhere that La Villa is in phrygian. |
I don't know if schizoidman77 meant to be taken so literally, but he is largely correct. Lifeson did start to stretch a bit about '77. He plays Aeolian in La Villa and I agree it's pretty good but he doesn't quite have the chops to pull it off completely. He's trying to play like Al Dimeola and his technique isn't quite up to par.
I don't mean any of this as a put down, I like Alex and technique isn't everything. These are just observations. He can be a bit sloppy and "hides" behind loads of effects.
That being said my favorite solo is "Red Barchetta".
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Asphalt
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Posted: September 26 2007 at 10:09 |
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Aspiring hope
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Posted: September 26 2007 at 09:22 |
Shakespeare wrote:
snowdogx1 wrote:
OK, has no one heard of a litlle song titled "The Necromancer"? Unbelievable playing in that one. My favorite Rush song, and that's saying alot. If you've never heard it, give it a try, especially while listening thru headphones. This one song rarely gets mentioned as one of their best, maybe because they themselves were kinds down on the entire album. Xanadu would be a close second. | Yes, that is an excellent one, and very atmospheric too. The end was a little bit to gleeful for the rest of it, but overall an excellent tune. Another reason why Steel shouldn't be overlooked. |
Yeah, Caress of Steel sometimes gives the impression that it's underated, since it's not too common to talk about it, but Necromancer and Fountain of Lamneth make up for a very good piece of music. Funny that you mention the whole atmospheric qualities, because I thought I heard some Floydian influences here and there on that track (or Lamneth, don't quite remember which, now ). A wonderfully written piece, with prominent guitar skills - aside from the rest - or at the very least ambitious.
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Aspiring hope
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Posted: September 26 2007 at 09:10 |
White Shadow wrote:
Shakespeare wrote:
Lucent wrote:
Floydian42 wrote:
Shakespeare wrote:
The one on Anesthetize. | Stole my thought. | Overrated | Please stop using that word. Basically, what you just did right there was this:SHAX: I like this song. FLOYDIAN: Yeah, me too. LUCENT: No, you two don't like it, because it isn't actually that good, really. My opinions are fact, and you two are simply wrong. Insulting. | Are you delusional? All he said was he doesn't think it is as good as other do. |
I agree with White Shadow on this. How is it insulting? Maybe Lifeson would get insulted if he thought he had put a lot of effort in that piece of work and came out not getting appreciated, but you were just naming your preference and he/she just said it wasn't that great. The fact that the solo's not as good as you might think doesn't change the fact that you two like it, either, and I for one find it hard to see how you deduced that he/she was claiming his/her opinions are fact and why you took umbrage in what was said, when all that poorly typed entry had posted about Anesthetize was "Overrated". Sure, it was a very weak contribution - maybe even dumb - and sometimes it just bugs you too much to ignore it, but you could've replied with just a "Why?", too.
Now, by forcing the notion that the person who wrote it is dismissing your own opinions on self-righteousness (if that's what you thought of it), it just sounds like you're playing that role yourself, I mean, it might also sound that your opinion on his/her opinion (which is what it really was: just an opinion, without fundament, too) is trying to pass as fact or law, when you have little-to-nothing (?) to back it up, seeing as all that was written was - and this is very important to realize - "Overrated"; not "You're wrong and I'm right ______________(rest of the argument missing, thus making it arrogant and one-sided)", but simply "Overrated".
Sorry if this came too much as a lecture, but it just seems unreasonable to stay offended with that whole thing. Anyway, I predict you'll still be listening and basking at the greatness of Anesthetize, so I'm guessing you'll be fine.
Edited by Aspiring hope - September 26 2007 at 09:16
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Shakespeare
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Posted: September 26 2007 at 08:38 |
snowdogx1 wrote:
OK, has no one heard of a litlle song titled "The Necromancer"? Unbelievable playing in that one. My favorite Rush song, and that's saying alot. If you've never heard it, give it a try, especially while listening thru headphones. This one song rarely gets mentioned as one of their best, maybe because they themselves were kinds down on the entire album. Xanadu would be a close second. |
Yes, that is an excellent one, and very atmospheric too. The end was a little bit to gleeful for the rest of it, but overall an excellent tune. Another reason why Steel shouldn't be overlooked.
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snowdogx1
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Posted: September 26 2007 at 08:35 |
OK, has no one heard of a litlle song titled "The Necromancer"? Unbelievable playing in that one. My favorite Rush song, and that's saying alot. If you've never heard it, give it a try, especially while listening thru headphones. This one song rarely gets mentioned as one of their best, maybe because they themselves were kinds down on the entire album. Xanadu would be a close second.
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Tangram
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Posted: September 26 2007 at 08:09 |
First song comes in my mind: Mission. Gives me shivers everytime.
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dedalus
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Posted: September 26 2007 at 05:57 |
Agree with both: Anesthetize and the insult
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toolis
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Posted: September 26 2007 at 03:34 |
Chemistry or Analog Kid...
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-music is like pornography...
sometimes amateurs turn us on, even more...
-sometimes you are the pigeon and sometimes you are the statue...
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Atavachron
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Posted: September 26 2007 at 03:22 |
I must admit I've always preferred his minimal, phrase-oriented stuff from about Signals forward.. his early lead is a little awkward
Edited by Atavachron - September 26 2007 at 03:23
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martinprog77
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Posted: September 26 2007 at 03:18 |
working man !!!!!! excellent. [like the others solos mane it]
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Nipsey88
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Posted: September 26 2007 at 01:45 |
All hail King Lerxt!!! Arguably one of the most underrated guitarists in rock history, and the single reason I picked up the electric guitar at age 12. And judging by the answers given so far, I gotta agree with the mob... Freewill...absolutely sick. EDIT: Adding to my answer, not only is Alex's solo just stupefying, but Geddy's bassline during it is also the stuff of legend. And when I saw Rush on the current tour, it marked the hmm, I dunno...11th or 12th time I've seen 'em, and IMO it was the finest set I'd ever seen them play. I can't wait for the next time I get to see one of the greatest rock bands ever.
Edited by Nipsey88 - September 26 2007 at 01:49
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Mellotron Storm
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Posted: September 25 2007 at 23:26 |
There are so many,but "Freewill" is my favourite.
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"The wind is slowly tearing her apart"
"Sad Rain" ANEKDOTEN
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Leningrad
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Posted: September 25 2007 at 21:11 |
chopper wrote:
The one at the end of "Xanadu" is a classic.
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I can't believe it took 3/4s of a page for someone to say that.
Bravo!
Edited by Chameleon - September 25 2007 at 21:12
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Shakespeare
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Posted: September 25 2007 at 21:09 |
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White Shadow
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Posted: September 25 2007 at 21:00 |
schizoid_man77 wrote:
Lifeson is an average pentatonic playing classic rock guitar player. I think we overblow his talent way me then what it really is!
La villa strangiato, probably one of his best for such a poor range. |
back that up with examples because he definately uses many different modes and scales like Phrygian and locrian. I forget what one(s) is/are in locrian but I read somewhere that La Villa is in phrygian.
Edited by White Shadow - September 25 2007 at 21:03
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White Shadow
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