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    Posted: September 25 2007 at 11:50
For the past 2 years, I've been the proud owner of a Cowon iAudio X5 60Gb MP3 player. It's a terrific piece of kit which simply connects to any computer via a USB lead, and is recognised and acts as an external hard-drive, allowing you to drag and drop music as quickly and easily as you please. No routing through special software (a la iTunes), etc. 
 
In recent months, I've begun to experience a problem which plagues most hard-drive based units, that of battery drain. I'm currently able to get only about 5 hours use after a full charge, and from what I've read I would expect that to start dropping fairly quickly.
 
I love the convenience of a high capacity player (I use my MP3 player for 2-3 hours every day, and there's no need to constantly rotate my selections), and if I'm going to stick with such a unit, I'm left with 2 options.
 
The first is to change the battery. This isn't as simple as it may appear. The battery in the X5 (as in most hard-drive players) is sealed within the unit. Removal involves taking the case apart, lifting out the hard-drive, and unsoldering the leads from the terminals. Unfortunately, getting an exact replacement battery for the X5 is damn well impossible. Apparently, the closest approximation to it (it terms of size and mAh rating) is the one used in a Nintendo DS Lite, and even this would involve removing the battery's casing and relocating its protection circuit so that the whole thing can fit into the allocated space. I'm not totally against doing this, but there's always Option 2 (see below)
 
By the way, Cowon themselves could change the battery for me, but this would involve sending my player half way round the world and a hefty charge as the warrenty is no longer valid. Another lesson that I've learned is that getting hold of a genuine battery with an mAh rating of 1000+ is really tough due to the number of fakes out there. In an abortive attempt to change the battery earlier this week, I ordered a 1200 mAh for a Sony Ericsson K700 phone from an Amazon Marketplace dealer. This should have been a reasonable replacement for the existing battery. However, once I dismantled the battery in order to fit it (removed stickers, outer casing, etc.) I was able to see by the manufacturer's stamp that it was in fact only a 600mAh, two-thirds the rating of the original battery. Angry  I'd been ripped off Ouch, and there's not a hell of a lot I can do about it except to be very careful about where and what I buy next. In the end, I decided not to put the new battery in the device.
 
Option 2 is - of course - buy a new player.....and this is where I'm hoping to get some feedback from you guys. Big%20smile
 
What types of high capacity players are used by people out there in PA Land? What are your recommendations for good devices? How about warnings on what to avoid? Personally, I'm NOT a fan of Apple products, but I'm beginning to wonder if their new 160Gb iPod might be my best bet as a replacement.
 
The other manufacturers who make high capacity devices - and which don't seem to have the software drawbacks of the iPod are Archos, Wolverine, Creative and Vosonic (Cowon, unfortunately, seem to have dropped out of the very-high capacity market - the X5 60Gb is no longer available). Does anyone have any experiences with these devices that they could share with me, or do you know of other devices that I haven't mentioned?
 
Once again, I'm looking specifically at devices of greater than 60Gb capacity.
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 25 2007 at 11:57
^ I'm quite happy with my 6GB Creative Zen Micro. I know you're looking for higher storage capacities ... but maybe you can reconsider. I did ... simply because it's impossible to find a player which can store my entire collection. The 6GB of my player allow for approx. 50 albums, and I found that this is more than enough even for a longer journey ... you simply go through your collection and pick albums which you haven't listened to for a long time or which you haven't listened to yet.

There's another advantage of smaller players: They're much cheaper. So instead of buying an expensive player which breaks after 3 years and you have to look for a replacement, why not buy a cheap player now and another cheap player three years later?

My first portable digital player had a capacity of 256MB and lasted three years ... my current one has 6GB and has already lasted 2 years. When I buy another player next year it will probably have 20-30GB capacity. All my players cost around 150 EUR!


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 25 2007 at 12:19

I used to have a Creative Zen 30 GB, but it croaked on me after about a year and a half.  I'm currently using a Toshiba Gigabeat 40 GB.  It's got a nice color screen that shows album art.  The interface software is a little buggy though.  I've got my entire collection (over 3000 CDs worth) on the unit.  It's over a year old now I think and still running fine.

I'd also like to put in a good word for this portable speaker by Logitec I just got recently.  It's $14 and sounds really good.  I've got a picture of both in the thread about people's collections.  http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=27995&PN=18

PS, that's one of my favorite old Star Trek episodes, Glenn.



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 25 2007 at 13:15
Originally posted by Slartibartfast Slartibartfast wrote:

I used to have a Creative Zen 30 GB, but it croaked on me after about a year and a half.  I'm currently using a Toshiba Gigabeat 40 GB.  It's got a nice color screen that shows album art.  The interface software is a little buggy though.  I've got my entire collection (over 3000 CDs worth) on the unit.  It's over a year old now I think and still running fine.

I'd also like to put in a good word for this portable speaker by Logitec I just got recently.  It's $14 and sounds really good.  I've got a picture of both in the thread about people's collections.  http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=27995&PN=18

PS, that's one of my favorite old Star Trek episodes, Glenn.



At the time that I bought the iAudio X5, I gave some consideration to the Toshiba but went for the higher capacity in the end. What kind of battery life do you get?


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 25 2007 at 13:24

Not entirely sure about the battery life of the unit.  I do know I can go a bit longer before recharges if I turn off the screen.   I don't really use the unit as much as you do yours.  Mainly for gym, yard work, and trips.  I have all my digital music files on my computer at work and home.  Can't beat having a huge collection at your fingertips.

I filled up the 30 gig before it died.  Haven't used up the whole 40 gig unit yet, still have room.  Also, I use the 64 K WMA format which is supposed to sound as good as 128 MP3, which sounds fine to me.  I use Consumer Reports recommended headphones - Sony MDR-ED21LP .



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 25 2007 at 13:39
I bought an external battery from Battery Geek. It has a reported life of 1000 hours, but I have never tested it. It works great for me, and acts like a charger. I hook it up for about a half hour, and my iPod is totally full. When the external is fully charged, that doesn't even remove one light (out of four) on the life indicator.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 25 2007 at 16:55
My guess is that hard disk DAPs are dying out as a breed. If you look at innovators like Cowon, and then Creative and Apple (and I think some others in the last couple of months) they've all replaced their flagship hard disk player with a flash drive player (OK, so Apple still have a new hard disk player but they're forced to play to the market.) Investing in a hard disk player right now might not be wise. I'd hold on to your five hours of battery life until either flash capacity increases, or companies bring out bigger hard disk players.

Alternatively, do you really need 60GB+ of music with you at all times? I'm with Mike on this one, because a smaller player might encourage you to take a more active role in what you're listening to and maybe you'll enjoy it more! Your collection will probably be growing just as fast as player capacities, so there's not so much point trying to keep up ;).
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 25 2007 at 19:09
I've got the 160 gig iPod and it's wonderful.  

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 25 2007 at 19:13
Originally posted by rileydog22 rileydog22 wrote:

I've got the 160 gig iPod and it's wonderful.  

I thought the biggest was 80.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 25 2007 at 19:38
Originally posted by goose goose wrote:

My guess is that hard disk DAPs are dying out as a breed. If you look at innovators like Cowon, and then Creative and Apple (and I think some others in the last couple of months) they've all replaced their flagship hard disk player with a flash drive player (OK, so Apple still have a new hard disk player but they're forced to play to the market.) Investing in a hard disk player right now might not be wise. I'd hold on to your five hours of battery life until either flash capacity increases, or companies bring out bigger hard disk players.

Alternatively, do you really need 60GB+ of music with you at all times? I'm with Mike on this one, because a smaller player might encourage you to take a more active role in what you're listening to and maybe you'll enjoy it more! Your collection will probably be growing just as fast as player capacities, so there's not so much point trying to keep up ;).
 
No I just need 40 right at the moment.  I keep a playlist of my latest 100 acquisitions.  Love to put it on random.  Like having my own radio station.  The rest of my collection is always at my fingertips if I get a hankering for something else.  Keeping my fingers crossed this unit will last until the next generation of high capacity flash types are developed.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 26 2007 at 04:32

I think its "horses for courses" as far as personal MP3 player preferences go. I for one do like to have a load of music onhand at all times. I can adjust to my mood in so many different ways. More often than not, however, I just play the thing on shuffle and end up with all sorts of weird and wonderful  combinations. As I said earlier, I use my player on a daily basis, so I get through a load of material, both old and new.

The idea of a high capacity flash drive - as mentioned by goose above- intrigues me, although i suspect it may be a year or to yet before they are developed and hit the market.
 
In the meantime, I'd still like to hear the experiences of other high-capacity hard drive owners out there.
 
I still have one more ace up my sleeve. My young nephew is doing a degree course in electronic engineering at Strathclyde University here in Glasgow. I'm thinking about letting him loose on my X5 to see if he can find and fit an appropriate battery for me!


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 26 2007 at 08:27
The iPods are great, in fact better than most other mp3 players for one reason: iTunes. For any iTunes user, it's a dream: your iPod and your iTunes are completely synced, and plus all your playlists, album art, ratings, et cetera, remain the same. That's the problem I have with drag-n-drop: no playlists. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 28 2007 at 19:54
A little update to my report that software provided for the Toshiba Gigabeat is a little buggy.  It said that the album art didn't get transferred with Microsoft's Media player 10, which also works with the player.  I never tested it, but it appears to be incorrect.  At least with version 11.  It works well with the player, playlists and all.
 
Ok, I've got to revise all that.  I thought I was working with the unit, but I was only working with my main computer.  But if you reverse all that^, then it's pretty much right on, sorry. Cry


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 30 2007 at 11:56
Originally posted by Shakespeare Shakespeare wrote:

The iPods are great, in fact better than most other mp3 players for one reason: iTunes. For any iTunes user, it's a dream: your iPod and your iTunes are completely synced, and plus all your playlists, album art, ratings, et cetera, remain the same. That's the problem I have with drag-n-drop: no playlists. 


Different strokes for different blokes, I guess...

I cannot stand iTunes, because I like having control over my own media files.

and about the new iPod classics, being as new as they are, they're still VERY prone to bugs, glitches and errors. Why fully finish the testing of your product when you have tons of paying customers that gladly do it for you? And Apple aren't exactly famous for putting top-notch hardware in their DAPs... So you'll propably find lots of players with better sound quality.

My recommendation, out of personal experience, would be Creative Zen Vision: M, although they're recently put out of production(so it might not be as easy as before finding one). Good interface, it's easy to transfer media files(either by drag-n-drop or syncing), and it has good sound(and video) quality. I've only had it freeze once, and that was the day I got the player.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 30 2007 at 11:58
Originally posted by magnus magnus wrote:

Originally posted by Shakespeare Shakespeare wrote:

The iPods are great, in fact better than most other mp3 players for one reason: iTunes. For any iTunes user, it's a dream: your iPod and your iTunes are completely synced, and plus all your playlists, album art, ratings, et cetera, remain the same. That's the problem I have with drag-n-drop: no playlists. 


I cannot stand iTunes, because I like having control over my own media files.

You can, though, with iTunes. Just select "don't keep my iTunes folder organized" and it won't move or rename anything for you.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 03 2007 at 22:37
I still stick with a cd player...they never get old.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 03 2007 at 22:42
But you can fit hundreds and hundreds of albums on ONE tiny little mp3 player. You can only hold one CD in a CD a player...an MP3 player is much more convenient. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 04 2007 at 22:31
Originally posted by ProgBagel ProgBagel wrote:

I still stick with a cd player...they never get old.


Actually, CD players age at the same rate as any other piece of technology.  Or anything else, for that matter. 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 04 2007 at 22:34
Originally posted by rileydog22 rileydog22 wrote:

Originally posted by ProgBagel ProgBagel wrote:

I still stick with a cd player...they never get old.


Actually, CD players age at the same rate as any other piece of technology.  Or anything else, for that matter. 


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 04 2007 at 22:42
Originally posted by Shakespeare Shakespeare wrote:

Originally posted by rileydog22 rileydog22 wrote:

I've got the 160 gig iPod and it's wonderful.  

I thought the biggest was 80.

It was, until the new iPod Touch was released. It can only hold a few gigs, so they kept the last generation in stores by doubling its capacity. I might get one of em in a year or so. I've got an 80 gig that only has about 17 gigs left, so I'll need to upgrade in the future.
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