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Raff 
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 Posted: September 23 2007 at 03:17 |
 ShipOfFools wrote:
This is confusing me, too. There are some artists that I've always considered as symphonic prog, who are now labeled something else. And what is heavy prog, anyway? |
Do you know that every subgenre has its own definition? It's not there for decorative purposes, but to answer questions such as yours. Anyway, no one will prevent you from considering those artists symphonic, if you so wish.
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Atavachron
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Posted: September 23 2007 at 03:18 |
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Heavy Prog
Heavy Prog defines progressive rock music that draws as much influence
from hard rock as it does from classic progressive rock. In simple
terms, it is a marriage of the guitar-based heavy blues of the late
1960s and 1970s - artists such as Cream, Led Zeppelin, and Black
Sabbath - and the progressive/symphonic movement represented by King
Crimson, Yes and Genesis.
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electric guitar, amplified to produce distortion (or 'overdrive') is a
crucial element, providing the 'heavy' tone required for this
aggressive style, and later for the British and North American heavy
metal of the late 1970s and 80s. The primary rock format of drums, bass
and guitar with keys and/or vocals on top is represented strongly in
heavy prog. The presence of the Hammond organ with its deep, intense
rumble was also common among harder progressive groups such as ATOMIC
ROOSTER. Although certain other acts, such as King Crimson and Jethro
Tull, utilize a heavy guitar, bass and keyboard sound, the bulk of
their work over the years puts them in a different category.
Bands
that represent Heavy Prog would include ATOMIC ROOSTER, URIAH HEEP,
TEMPEST, BLACK WIDOW, DR. Z, RUSH, WARHORSE, PAATOS, BIRTH CONTROL,
TILES.
Edited by Atavachron - September 23 2007 at 03:19
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FruMp
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Posted: September 23 2007 at 05:00 |
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Hmm that's interesting, Uriah Heap were in proto-prog before weren't they?
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Raff
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Posted: September 23 2007 at 05:05 |
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Not that I know of... Proto-Prog means before 1969, and UH released their most important prog albums after that date.
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FruMp
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Posted: September 23 2007 at 05:43 |
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oh ok, maybe they were prog related then.
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andu
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Posted: September 23 2007 at 08:02 |
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No, Uriah Heep were in Art-Rock before.
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Slartibartfast
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Posted: September 23 2007 at 08:41 |
rileydog22 wrote:
In response to the genres:
Krautrock: Anybody who says that that Kraut should not be a category on the site has not heard any krautrock. The genre contains some of the most unique music on the site, and nearly every band in the genre would not remotely fit into any of the other genres on the site.
Canterbury: Though Canterbury could feasibly fit in Fusion, bands like GonG and Caravan would be poor fits with Area, Mahavishnu, and the like.
Italian Sympho: I can't agree more with anybody who says this just belongs in regular sympho. I don't care if the technical term is IPS or whatever, it's simply symphonic prog that happens to come from Italy. Japan has an equally unique RIO scene, but nobody wants to see it split from the rest of RIO.
Zeuhl: I think that Zeuhl is different enough from the rest of the Avant/RIO category to deserve its own group. Zeuhl is a very unique sound, and putting them in with RIO would make it very much harder for fans who discover Magma to also discover other French Zeuhlers like Eskaton and Dun and also the Japanese scene, with bands like Ruins and Bondage Fruit.
Indo-Prog: I don't think anybody really cares.
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Ok first of off I was being silly. I actually got the Krafwerk LP Autobahn before I became a zombie prog person. One of the many things I heard in my formative years that turned me into a ZPP.
Lots of Canterbury categorized stuff in my collection, just taking a little poke at the Britishers.
I've sampled some Zeuhl on this site, Thanks much for the streaming audio. Have not added any to my collection though I belive I might have some borderline Zeuhl in my collection already.
Why doesn't some of you peoples care about Indo-Prog? I love Indian food and the music is distinctive. Lots of great Indian restaurants in the north Decatur area of Georgia (near Atlanta) if you ever get around to these parts. 
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Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened... 
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andu
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Posted: September 23 2007 at 08:51 |
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I only got to listen to the Shakhti albums from the whole Indo/Raga, but they're great and an excellent addition to the site.
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BaldJean
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Posted: September 23 2007 at 11:20 |
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High Tide are the perfect example for "heavy prog"
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 A shot of me as High Priestess of Gaia during our fall festival. Ceterum censeo principiis obsta
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Raff
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Posted: September 23 2007 at 11:27 |
BaldJean wrote:
High Tide are the perfect example for "heavy prog"
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100% agreed.. and they are there indeed. There was talk of moving them to Proto, but I would've keenly disagreed with such a move. "Sea Shanties"in particular is a real blueprint for all things heavy in prog.
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Ricochet
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Posted: September 23 2007 at 11:29 |
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Since I checked them, when doing a clean-up session, I would think of Proto-Prog as their better genre (due to the blend of metal and really 'eavy rock rustles), but, sure, High Tide are fine and artistic enough for Heavy Prog.
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MonkeyphoneAlex
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Posted: September 27 2007 at 19:19 |
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While at first confusing to those used to the old"Art Rock", the new genres will give people who are reading about the band without ever hearing the band a much better idea of the group's sound and style. I am in full support of the changes.
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Heavy Prog ... huh ?
