Bands which should be included on Progarc |
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Ricochet
Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: February 27 2005 Location: Nauru Status: Offline Points: 46301 |
Posted: September 11 2007 at 14:44 | |
Careful Ivan, you're getting into Art Rock's business. Ozzy made a very easy, but sufficient (for now) idea where every band should go. We already started checking Twogether and Sixty Nine, both accountable for Heavy Prog. And we'll probably deal with every band ozzy mentioned under one of the three AR genres. Out of interest, did you find any music for Twogether? Except a blog whose link is expired, we've found nothing and it looks like a desperate thing, the band's a complete rarity. |
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Ricochet
Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: February 27 2005 Location: Nauru Status: Offline Points: 46301 |
Posted: September 11 2007 at 14:46 | |
Thought so. We've already started checking four or five bands; most are eligible for Heavy Prog, when in fact you wrote Crossover Prog!!. Confusing business, mr. Ozzy. |
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Ricochet
Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: February 27 2005 Location: Nauru Status: Offline Points: 46301 |
Posted: September 11 2007 at 14:49 | |
Micky, I suggest we all work on the bands that were mentioned under one of the three AR genres, because ozzy mentioned that he has trouble understanding what Heavy, Eclectic and Crossover individually mean, and I already signaled to him that he suggested for Symphonic or Crossover bands that are clearly Heavy. So, we should probably check these bands as AR specialists, instead of Heavy, Ec. or Crossover specialists. |
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Raff
Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: July 29 2005 Location: None Status: Offline Points: 24429 |
Posted: September 11 2007 at 14:54 | |
Exactly! This is what we've already started doing. We'll allocate them to the right subgenre at the end of the screening. |
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micky
Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: October 02 2005 Location: . Status: Offline Points: 46833 |
Posted: September 11 2007 at 16:44 | |
sounds good to me Rico...with the varioius vacations we all have had it will be nice to work together again. I'm in.... I need some time to consider who to bring on to the crossover team. You, Jesus, and David were no brainers. I haven't been around enough over the last months to have an idea about the next batch to bring into the team. |
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Ivan_Melgar_M
Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: April 27 2004 Location: Peru Status: Offline Points: 19535 |
Posted: September 12 2007 at 01:18 | |
Hey Ozzy is Attila USA that terrible band in which Billy Joel played? Even Billy catalogued it as Psychedelic Bullsh!t, he's 50% right, becaus it's not a Psych album, its' pure Acid Rock or Proto bad Metal (to say something, cacophonic loud noise would be more exact), no relation with Prog and influenced nobody, their only studio album is considered by many as the worst album ever recorded.
I believe we should not only not include them, but find the way of burning the master tape, starting with the embarrasing cover with Billy Joel dressed as Hun in a meat market.
I never believed there was something worst than Love Beach until I heard this album.
Sorry if I'm rude, but that's my honest opinion.
Iván Edited by Ivan_Melgar_M - September 12 2007 at 01:36 |
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Proletariat
Forum Senior Member Joined: March 30 2007 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 1882 |
Posted: September 12 2007 at 21:19 | |
Isotope 217 (post rock)
Imagine Tortoise in the style of their amazing TNT only with more jazz elements and alot free-er. Then again, its just some of the guys from Tortoise plus some jazz musisians, so I guess thats what it would have to sound like.
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who hiccuped endlessly trying to giggle but wound up with a sob
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Eetu Pellonpaa
Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: June 17 2005 Location: Finland Status: Offline Points: 4828 |
Posted: September 14 2007 at 06:41 | |
I'll add FOOF BRAIN to our team evaluation, thanks!
Maybe PATTO would be a good prog related act? Mostly famous bands seem to get into this genre, why not including some little obscurer bands there too? Ofcourse the more known one's are easier to be included as there are much data about them around.
Many bands mentioned in the list above were in Proto Prog genre. This is a genre which is not enlargened in very fast speed (not critizing this, just observing).
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T.Rox
Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: July 06 2004 Location: Australia Status: Offline Points: 9455 |
Posted: September 14 2007 at 08:39 | |
Hey Ozzy Tom, how goes it?
Spectrum was one of those Australian bands I was getting the old "round to it" happening with, as well as The Master's Apprentices, Tamam Shud, Kahvas Jute, Ariel, Coloured Balls, Tully and Lobby Loyde.
I think the new heavy prog sub-genre suits TMA, Kahvas Jute, Coloured Balls & Lobby Loyde with their sort of blues meets head music leanings. Ariel and Tamam Shud are probably crossover. As for Tully, I am not really sure as I just can't get hold of any of their music without having to mortgage the house to buy an LP (except the OST to the Australian version of Hair featuring Tully + 4, which I have a copy of on the way).
Catch you in the ether!
Cheers,
T.Rox
Edited by T.Rox - September 14 2007 at 08:44 |
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ozzy_tom
Prog Reviewer Joined: March 15 2006 Location: China/Poland Status: Offline Points: 754 |
Posted: September 16 2007 at 13:23 | |
Yes, I've just thought about this "Attila" with Joel . I see that you really don't like their album , but anyway it doesn't change a thing that it should be inluded on PA as proto-prog even if it's not a good album. Anyway it's one of only few "duo-bands" (only keyboardist + percussionist) so it should be here maybe only as curiosity (btw I don't think that Attila is so bad, but you know I'm a Hammond-freak so organ-driven album can't be totally bad ). According to Faithful Breath I can say one thing: listen to their album called "Fading Beauty" and you will know that this is truly progressive album & there are no metal inspirations, I can even say that it's very calm album. |
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Raff
Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: July 29 2005 Location: None Status: Offline Points: 24429 |
Posted: September 16 2007 at 13:26 | |
We've been doing research on some of those bands, and will be adding some of them in the next few days. As regards Faithful Breath, we've got some info about them - and yes, we found that "FAding Beauty" is prog. However, the list is very long, and those things take their time. Thanks for the suggestions, though!
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Ivan_Melgar_M
Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: April 27 2004 Location: Peru Status: Offline Points: 19535 |
Posted: September 16 2007 at 13:54 | |
Well, that leaves us without any band from the list except maybe poliphony.
I will ask Bob (ClemofNazatreth) to check it.
BTW: Attila released an album past 1969, so if we go with the guidelines it's impossible to add them in Proto Prog.
Maybe in Prog Related, but for all I know it's weird cacophony and nothing more, now it would be time for the Adms to decide.
Iván |
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ozzy_tom
Prog Reviewer Joined: March 15 2006 Location: China/Poland Status: Offline Points: 754 |
Posted: September 16 2007 at 14:05 | |
I've just wrote some of the albums of the bands' I mentioned before (be careful! I don't write all of their albums here ! Only these which I've listened to):
1.Trikolon - "Cluster"(1969) 2.McPhee - "McPhee"(1972) 3.Hansson & Karlsson - "Monument"(1967), "Rex"(1968), "Man at the moon"(1969) 4.Sixty Nine - "Circle of the crayfish"(1972) 5.Attila - "Attila"(1970) 6.Hardin & York - "Tomorrow Today"(1969), "World's Smallest Big Band"(1970), "For the world"(1971), "Live"(1994, 1969 recorded) 7.Twogether - "A couple of times"(1973) 8.Bodkin - "Bodkin"(1972) 9.Food Brain - "Social Gathering"(1970) 10.Odyssey - "Setting Forth"(1969) 11.Pesky Gee - "Exclamation Mark"(1969) (this is proto-Black Widow) 12.Weed - "Weed"(1971) (one of the Ken Hensley's early project made with German band "Virus") 13.Tyburn Tall - "Tyburn Tall"(1972) 14.8 Days in April - "The Hamburg Scene"(1972) 15.Spectrum - "Part One"(1971), "Milesago"(1971) 16.Spooky Tooth - "Spooky Two"(1969), "Ceremony"(1970) 17.Freedom's Children - "Astra"(1970) 18.Brian Auger & The Trinity - "Open"(1967), "Definitely What"(1968), "Streetnoise"(1969), "Befour"(1970) 19.Harsh Reality - "Heaven and hell"(1969) 20.Polyphony - "Without Introduction"(1971) 21.Show of hands - "Formerly Anthrax"(1970) 22.Ford Theatre - "Trilogy for the masses"(1969) 23.Hunger - "Strictly from Hunger"(1969) 24.Valhalla - "Valhalla"(1969) 25.Pacific Sound - "Forget your dream!"(1972) 26.Pugh's Place - "West One"(1969) 27.Andromeda - "Andromeda"(1970) 28.P205 - "P205"(1975), "Vivat Progressio - Pereat Mundus "(1978) 29.Electra - "Adaptionen"(1976) 30.Epsilon - "Epsilon"(1971), "Move on"(1972) 31.Faithful Breath - "Fading Beauty"(1974) 32.Head Machine - "Orgasm"(1969) (another Ken Hensley's project) 33.Mammut - "Mammut"(1971) 34.The Norman Haines Band - "Den Of Iniquity"(1971) 35.Titanic - "Titanic"(1971), "Eagle Rock"(1973), "Ballad of a rock'n' roll loser"(1975) 36.Yasushi Ishii - "Hellsing Original Soundtrack"(2003) 37.Phluph - "Phluph"(1968) I hope that now you won't have any problems with finding these bands in internet. If not I will try to search for some links later. |
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micky
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Posted: September 16 2007 at 14:12 | |
ozzy.. you can strike Hansson and Karlson off your list... they have
been approved for addition.. and will be added soon. Working on the bio
as we speak actually
Edited by micky - September 16 2007 at 14:12 |
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micky
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Posted: September 16 2007 at 14:14 | |
Bodkin has also been approved..
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Raff
Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: July 29 2005 Location: None Status: Offline Points: 24429 |
Posted: September 16 2007 at 14:21 | |
You'll be glad to know that we're going to add Bo dkin to Heavy Prog. Sixty-Nine are still being discussed, but if I remember correctly they should be added either to Heavy or to Eclectic. 8 Days in April are being discussed by the Eclectic team, and Pugh's Place by the Heavy team. Unfortunately, McPhee were rejected, as they were not prog enough, and their album is mostly made up of covers. Finally, Hansson and Karlsson are well on their way to being added.
As for the others, it will take us some time to find them all, if it is actually possible. Many of those records are indeed very hard to find, which is a pity, but it is also true that they are in most cases quite old. |
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Ivan_Melgar_M
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Posted: September 16 2007 at 22:36 | |
The report about Polyphony by Bob is positive and I agree, but we need at least one more vote.
Iván Edited by Ivan_Melgar_M - September 16 2007 at 22:53 |
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GentleGiant
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Posted: September 17 2007 at 00:25 | |
One vote from me if that helps |
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BeGiantForADay
"This British band is just the cup of tea for aficionados who demand virtuosity,progress and originality in their mix." http://rateyourmusic.com/~GentleG |
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GentleGiant
Forum Senior Member Joined: January 09 2006 Location: PantagrueLand Status: Offline Points: 445 |
Posted: September 17 2007 at 07:16 | |
GORDON GILTRAP for his progressive era:
*Visionary(1976) *Perilous Journey(1977) *Fear Of The Dark(1978) *Peacock Party(1979) *Live At Oxford(79/80) |
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BeGiantForADay
"This British band is just the cup of tea for aficionados who demand virtuosity,progress and originality in their mix." http://rateyourmusic.com/~GentleG |
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Eetu Pellonpaa
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Posted: September 17 2007 at 10:01 | |
I suggested this quite long ago, I'll check out what's their current status.
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