Suicide

fandango wrote: its interesting that you used the expression 'the final solution', Raff..... I remember my Austrian Jewish Grandmother using the term to explain why almost her entire ancestry around Salzburg was liquidated during the early '40's...   farbeit from me to attempt to belittle anyone's personal problems, but there is a general trend among some growing up with the economic benefits and political stability of a first world country over the past 40 years, to become too self-indulgent, narcissistic and inward looking, for their own health...   no offence meant toward either Raff, or Andy, whatsoever....

None taken at all, good sir..

It's an important point you raise, but I have to say I have tried sparing a thought for 'those less fortunate than me' when I'm at my lowest eb, and to be frank I dont give a sh!t about them..

The only time I am upset or moved by the serious plight of others, is ironically when I am reasonably happy. It is only when I'm feeling relatively well adjusted that I can consider the feelings of others, and to a degree empathise. All mental illness, by it's very nature is 'selfish' through no fault of the sufferer, and forces the sufferer to constantly examine their own failings.

On a more positive note, I've known some very depressed individuals who have thrown themself into good causes in an attempt to put their own problems in some kind of context. In some cases it has worked well, and given them a sense of worth and value they lacked before. However, if their condition has led to 'co-dependency' where they seek constant approval for their actions to feel better about themselves, they will merely spend their lives dodging the very issues they need to tackle head on.

Interestingly enough, although bipolar depression seems to run in the family, I've never come close to considering suicide, nor have I ever been seriously depressed.

Of course, I have my ups and downs, but seeing how a family member has struggled with severe depression for a decade, calling my not-so-good days a depression might be stretching it a little.


Edited by Jimbo - September 16 2007 at 12:05

its interesting that you used the expression 'the final solution', Raff.....

I think a lot about dying but not about suicide. my philosophy is an odd one but nonetheless, I'm not bothering with suicide, it seems too contemptful. I'm hoping for an accident which hurts no-one else. ;P

fandango wrote: ANDREW wrote: If i die tomorrow, i'd be all right, because i believe, that after we're gone,the spirit carries on... Andrew, you've been listening to too much Dream Theater...   I have to say, I'm quite disturbed by this poll, with 32/57 respondents admitting to having 'seriously considered committing suicide'...   ...anyone would get the impression that Prog Rock fans are by nature considerably more emotionally unstable than national averages would suggest...

Either that, or by their very nature, prog fans are more sensitive and analytical than your avarage Joe (without wishing to over simplify and generalise things)and are therefore more naturally prone to self analysis, and in turn possible self destruction.

Often, the most happy of people are apparently the most stupid..

Again, without wishing to over simplify and generalise things..



Edited by Blacksword - September 16 2007 at 09:20

My mother have tried to commit suicide (overdoses medication) two times but although I have gone through some very bad periods, I always found the motivation to go on with my life, with thanks to my wife, my best friends and ... the music  

stonebeard wrote: You must never feel overwhelmed enough by your lot in life, then.

I can say with absolute confidence that no circumstance, regardless of how overwhelming, would ever cause me to consider killing myself.  To me, there is nothing worse than being dead. 

You must never feel overwhelmed enough by your lot in life, then.

a few times in the past, but not nowadays

Yep, why else would I search for suicide in the forum search?