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Kid-A 
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 Posted: September 13 2007 at 18:54 |
 limeyrob wrote:
I am not vegetarian but believe in everything in moderation. We humans are omnivores and have developed to to use the nutrients in meat. Granted we eat too much of it these days due to its easy availability.
Mind you I do get a bit narked about veggies. If I invite a veggie to a meal I either have to make a special meal for them or go veggie myself. If you go to a veggie for a meal you normally have to eat what they do.
I know a few veggies who drink milk (usually cows). Obviously casting a blind eye to the fact that for a cow to produce milk it has to have a calf - which ends up as veal. |
I absolutely agree with moderation. Our culture is meat-crazy, more than is necessary for a healthy diet. I remember hearing a statistic like it would take 1.3 Europes to produce the grain necessary to feed all of Britains meat live-stock. It's crazy.
And yes, it annoys the hell out of me when people act very moralistic on animal rights, then drink milk from cow's with it's calves taken away, or eat an endangered fish species without caring.
And to the guy who said how is eating a living fruit any different to eating meat? That's the whole freaking point of fruit! To be eaten and spread the seeds.
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Slartibartfast
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Posted: September 13 2007 at 18:58 |
Ghost Rider wrote:
I am not vegetarian, though at some point in the past I considered becoming one. However, the almost fanatical stance of some people I knew put me off big time, so I remained omnivorous. I do eat lots of fruit and vegetables anyway, and I'm not a great consumer of red meat. |
Hmm, that cat looks really delicious.
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Dim
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Posted: September 13 2007 at 19:15 |
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Speaking of Vegeterianism, a couple months ago Jon Anderson revealed that he now eats fish!
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Dean
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Posted: September 13 2007 at 19:16 |
schizoid_man77 wrote:
Speaking of Vegeterianism, a couple months ago Jon Anderson revealed that he now eats fish! |
I bet Chris Squre is looking a little worried now 
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rushfan4
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Posted: September 13 2007 at 19:18 |
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Dim
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Posted: September 13 2007 at 19:22 |
I am not a vegeterian, but I know a lot of teenage drama queens at my school who are VEGAN!!!
Probably just to get some attention IMO
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rileydog22
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Posted: September 13 2007 at 19:26 |
Kid-A wrote:
limeyrob wrote:
I am not vegetarian but believe in everything in moderation. We humans are omnivores and have developed to to use the nutrients in meat. Granted we eat too much of it these days due to its easy availability.
Mind you I do get a bit narked about veggies. If I invite a veggie to a meal I either have to make a special meal for them or go veggie myself. If you go to a veggie for a meal you normally have to eat what they do.
I know a few veggies who drink milk (usually cows). Obviously casting a blind eye to the fact that for a cow to produce milk it has to have a calf - which ends up as veal. |
I absolutely agree with moderation. Our culture is meat-crazy, more than is necessary for a healthy diet. I remember hearing a statistic like it would take 1.3 Europes to produce the grain necessary to feed all of Britains meat live-stock. It's crazy.
And yes, it annoys the hell out of me when people act very moralistic on animal rights, then drink milk from cow's with it's calves taken away, or eat an endangered fish species without caring.
And to the guy who said how is eating a living fruit any different to eating meat? That's the whole freaking point of fruit! To be eaten and spread the seeds. |
Many religious folk would argue that the purpose of non-human animals is also to be eaten by us.
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jimmy_row
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Posted: September 13 2007 at 19:44 |
Because this is a "vegatarian" thread, I won't waste any time with my opinions and philosophies, but I would like to express my admiration for those who express empathy for our planet's beautiful creatures and have the self-control and strength not to partake in any activity that harms of uses them as resources (in other words, "Vegan"); my only issue is with those who seem to go about it as a fashion or as if it is a more healthy choice (a vegetarian diet is NOT automatically a better choice than an omnivorous one....but there are many that would unflinchingly have you believe it is, no matter what the circumstance)....so anyway, I have much respect for anyone who posses a moral stance and has the strength to act on it in a world that can make it quite difficult. 
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Garion81
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Posted: September 13 2007 at 19:59 |
The space it takes to raise animals and don't forget the water it takes to keep them alive is a big concern. Doctors say 3-4 oz of any size portion of meat is enough. These huge 12oz steaks and half pound burgers are too much. Not only are they bad for your heart but you have to raise more cows to replace what you ate. If everyone would cut back their portions there would be less need of factory type of livestock production and more land to do other things with and more fresh water is a good thing as well. Plus it would reduce methane gas as well.
So I say eat meat just eat less of it. And eat more chicken and turkey they take up less land as well. I would say fish too but it is just so expensive.
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micky
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Posted: September 13 2007 at 20:07 |
I tried it .... for two of the most painful weeks of my life some years
back.... I can live without meat ..well.. I would miss sausage
for sure hahha... but my wife kept feeding me canned veggies.
Needless to say....I gave in to my carnivorous nature
and never wanted to see another can of vegetables again 
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The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip
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Slartibartfast
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Posted: September 13 2007 at 20:27 |
micky wrote:
I tried it .... for two of the most painful weeks of my life some years back.... I can live without meat ..well.. I would miss sausage for sure hahha... but my wife kept feeding me canned veggies. Needless to say....I gave in to my carnivorous nature
and never wanted to see another can of vegetables again
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What I really wanna know is are you at all acquainted with Indian vegetarian food?
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micky
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Posted: September 13 2007 at 20:35 |
Slartibartfast wrote:
micky wrote:
I tried it .... for two of the most
painful weeks of my life some years back.... I can live without meat
..well.. I would miss sausage for sure hahha... but my wife kept
feeding me canned veggies. Needless to say....I gave in to my
carnivorous nature
and never wanted to see another can of vegetables again
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What I really wanna know is are you at all acquainted with Indian vegetarian food? |
hell yeah.... love it!
at the time though... I couldn't cook my way out of paper bag.. and sadly.. neither could my wife
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The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip
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cacha71
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Posted: September 14 2007 at 04:44 |
Right on, fellow vegetarian!
I wholeheartedly agree with you on the smoking issue, too. I can't stand it personally, though I must admit I enjoy a good beer (sorry!)
I don't see why the music of my choice always should have to be associated with hippies and the like.
By the way, what's wrong with being a girl and vegetarian?
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http://www.last.fm/group/Progressive+Folk
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Kid-A
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Posted: September 14 2007 at 05:49 |
rileydog22 wrote:
Kid-A wrote:
limeyrob wrote:
I am not vegetarian but believe in everything in moderation. We humans are omnivores and have developed to to use the nutrients in meat. Granted we eat too much of it these days due to its easy availability.
Mind you I do get a bit narked about veggies. If I invite a veggie to a meal I either have to make a special meal for them or go veggie myself. If you go to a veggie for a meal you normally have to eat what they do.
I know a few veggies who drink milk (usually cows). Obviously casting a blind eye to the fact that for a cow to produce milk it has to have a calf - which ends up as veal. |
I absolutely agree with moderation. Our culture is meat-crazy, more than is necessary for a healthy diet. I remember hearing a statistic like it would take 1.3 Europes to produce the grain necessary to feed all of Britains meat live-stock. It's crazy.
And yes, it annoys the hell out of me when people act very moralistic on animal rights, then drink milk from cow's with it's calves taken away, or eat an endangered fish species without caring.
And to the guy who said how is eating a living fruit any different to eating meat? That's the whole freaking point of fruit! To be eaten and spread the seeds. |
Many religious folk would argue that the purpose of non-human animals is also to be eaten by us.
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Those people would also argue that the world is only 7000 years old.
If the purpose ofnon-human animals was to be eaten by us, why would there be so many animals we don't eat? Why would there be animals in places humans don't/didn't even live or go to? That's an incredibly arrogant vew of nature.
Eating the seeds obviously has a purpose to the plant because it is how it passes its genes to the next generation, what the hell benefit is there to the animnals of being eaten by humans?
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bhikkhu
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Posted: September 14 2007 at 21:46 |
Kid-A wrote:
limeyrob wrote:
I am not vegetarian but believe in everything in moderation. We humans are omnivores and have developed to to use the nutrients in meat. Granted we eat too much of it these days due to its easy availability.
Mind you I do get a bit narked about veggies. If I invite a veggie to a meal I either have to make a special meal for them or go veggie myself. If you go to a veggie for a meal you normally have to eat what they do.
I know a few veggies who drink milk (usually cows). Obviously casting a blind eye to the fact that for a cow to produce milk it has to have a calf - which ends up as veal. |
I absolutely agree with moderation. Our culture is meat-crazy, more than is necessary for a healthy diet. I remember hearing a statistic like it would take 1.3 Europes to produce the grain necessary to feed all of Britains meat live-stock. It's crazy.
And yes, it annoys the hell out of me when people act very moralistic on animal rights, then drink milk from cow's with it's calves taken away, or eat an endangered fish species without caring.
And to the guy who said how is eating a living fruit any different to eating meat? That's the whole freaking point of fruit! To be eaten and spread the seeds. |
Plants don't have brains. They are not sentient beings. I do eat dairy (organic), but no beings have to end their lives in order for me to have a delicious meal.
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stonebeard
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Posted: September 14 2007 at 22:36 |
^ You just reminded me of a new trend of making cheese out of mother's milk. That's not a far cry away from cannibalism, and I think it's more than a bit weird. 
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rileydog22
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Posted: September 15 2007 at 00:06 |
stonebeard wrote:
^ You just reminded me of a new trend of making cheese out of mother's milk. That's not a far cry away from cannibalism, and I think it's more than a bit weird.
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Why is that? Mother's milk is INTENDED for our consumption.
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Kid-A
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Posted: September 15 2007 at 07:14 |
What did I say which implied plants had brains? 
I said dairy farming is cruel, and cows are compassionate beings.
Edited by Kid-A - September 15 2007 at 07:18
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bhikkhu
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Posted: September 15 2007 at 12:57 |
Kid-A wrote:
What did I say which implied plants had brains?
I said dairy farming is cruel, and cows are compassionate beings. |
That was just to expand on what you were saying. People often use the argument that plants are also alive.
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stonebeard
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Posted: September 15 2007 at 13:01 |
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any of you guys vegetarian?
