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cuncuna 
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 Topic: Incredibly long reply poll...
Posted: September 13 2007 at 00:35 |
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I'm truly sorry, but sometimes people writte a script about it and it's just too much for me... I mean no disrespect, but I just can't read so much about so little...
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¡Beware of the Bee!
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Atavachron
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Posted: September 13 2007 at 00:38 |
I know what you mean, but this is prog country... we're wordy people 
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Ivan_Melgar_M
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Posted: September 13 2007 at 00:38 |
I always believed discussion forums were created for discussion, so, I read everything from start to end, believe it or not, I learn more from the people that disagree with me than with the ones who agree.
Also I believe it's a sign of respect for someone to answer him/her in the best possible way.
Iván
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progcabaretdoll
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Posted: September 13 2007 at 01:01 |
I'll read it.
I'll be totally honoured to be responsed like that.
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rileydog22
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Posted: September 13 2007 at 01:03 |
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I'll admit it, I tend to skip the "essays" some people seem to put down. There are only a few people (Ivan being one of them) whose longer responses maintain my attention.
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Jim Garten
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Posted: September 13 2007 at 07:23 |
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If you're reading through a thread, it's because you probably care about the subject; if somebody's taken the time to write a long response, I think it's a mark of respect that you should at least read it.
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Dean
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Posted: September 13 2007 at 07:31 |
 rileydog22 wrote:
I'll admit it, I tend to skip the "essays" some people seem to put down. There are only a few people (Ivan being one of them) whose longer responses maintain my attention. |
I read every last word, if someone’s gone to all that trouble to write such a repost then the least I can do is take the time to read it. I admire people who can write succinct and diminutive answers to posts, I wish I had that ability, I really do, but I don’t, believe me I’ve tried, but every time I would read back the four lonely words I had written and wonder if I someone would misunderstand their meaning, so I have to add another four words to clarify the previous four. Now I have eight words that possible add more confusion than I originally intended, so I need another eight to further explain those. And while I was writing those sixteen words another salient point popped into my head that I really just had to write down and share with you all and before I know it those words have spilt from the keyboard onto the screen. Yet as I read those words that I have just typed I realise that the two points probably weren’t that well connected in the first place so I have to write a bridging sentence to link them together. By now I’ve reached the point where I’m pretty sure that the person whose post I am replying to has given up reading due to the lamentable ten-second attention span that is so predominate in this modern world and I am readily confident that I can slip in a well place insult of that persons intelligence without fear of retribution because I know the poor muppet will never read it. This I can do with confidence because I have been getting away with on various forums for the past ten years without the need for flame-proof underwear and will probably continue to do so. Of course, the final step in producing the reply is to read it back and remove anything that is Yes are overrated rubbish possible contentious that I may have accidentally typed in a fit of piqué while being distracted by a passing crow. The final final stage is to append a suitably inappropriate smiley at the end of the post to ensure that should anyone bother to real every last word of my post they will see that it was written in good humour because, after all, emoticons are so darn cute... 
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sircosick
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Posted: September 13 2007 at 07:33 |
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Iván is the king of the long answers.. xD. Not because his replies are that long, but he uses colourful letters and short replies for every paragraph and that makes to the reader to keep his attention while reading.
As Rileydog, I consider Iván one of the few persons who I use to read his replies from the beggining to the end.
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The best you can is good enough...
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Dean
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Posted: September 13 2007 at 07:42 |
Iván posts are great,  if sometimes just a little over the top  , however once gets onto his second or third colour I get a little confused  about who said what about what to whom. 
Edited by darqdean - September 13 2007 at 07:43
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Vompatti
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Posted: September 13 2007 at 08:48 |
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Yes.
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Ricochet
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Posted: September 13 2007 at 09:11 |
I think I sometimes exceed on a reply's natural and succinct way, just like I'm blamed and bantered with my review style. I always try to give a best answer, yet always end up making a long form of that bestly tried answer.
In rest, I think this thread is about Ivan. 
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Raff
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Posted: September 13 2007 at 09:36 |
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Always, of course, though I would be dishonest if I said that I always read EVERY long response, not just those that concern me directly.
Anyway, I also admit that some response styles make it considerably harder for me to read. It's not so much a matter of length as of presentation: no paragraphs, for instance, or the dreaded quote pyramids - not to mention the use of too many different colours. I think it's essential to be able to understand who said who, and that way it's not always the case.
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Jim Garten
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Posted: September 13 2007 at 12:14 |
darqdean wrote:
I read every last word, if someone’s gone to all that trouble to write such a repost then the least I can do is take the time to read it. I admire people who can write succinct and diminutive answers to posts, I wish I had that ability, I really do, but I don’t, believe me I’ve tried, but every time I would read back the four lonely words I had written and wonder if I someone would misunderstand their meaning, so I have to add another four words to clarify the previous four. Now I have eight words that possible add more confusion than I originally intended, so I need another eight to further explain those. And while I was writing those sixteen words another salient point popped into my head that I really just had to write down and share with you all and before I know it those words have spilt from the keyboard onto the screen. Yet as I read those words that I have just typed I realise that the two points probably weren’t that well connected in the first place so I have to write a bridging sentence to link them together. By now I’ve reached the point where I’m pretty sure that the person whose post I am replying to has given up reading due to the lamentable ten-second attention span that is so predominate in this modern world and I am readily confident that I can slip in a well place insult of that persons intelligence without fear of retribution because I know the poor muppet will never read it. This I can do with confidence because I have been getting away with on various forums for the past ten years without the need for flame-proof underwear and will probably continue to do so. Of course, the final step in producing the reply is to read it back and remove anything that is Yes are overrated rubbish possible contentious that I may have accidentally typed in a fit of piqué while being distracted by a passing crow. The final final stage is to append a suitably inappropriate smiley at the end of the post to ensure that should anyone bother to real every last word of my post they will see that it was written in good humour because, after all, emoticons are so darn cute... |
Overall: 
Highlighted sections: plus one great big 
Edited by Jim Garten - September 13 2007 at 12:16
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bluetailfly
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Posted: September 13 2007 at 12:34 |
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I don't think I've ever suffered from this problem...if someone wants to take the time to respond back to whatever I've dared to post, I am grateful!
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"The red polygon's only desire / is to get to the blue triangle."
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Logan
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Posted: September 13 2007 at 13:59 |
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I really appreciate it when someone takes the time to respond in a more thorough and thoughtful manner. I'd rather that than curt ones.
I'm interested in the exploration of ideas and how people think. One problem can be that when someone does respond in a more expansive manner, I feel obligated to respond in kind, but don't always have sufficient time (and by the time I can the discussion has moved on).
There are multiple approaches to take when responding/ many different ways to see things. I know that I'm sometimes guilty of trying to approach it from too many angles. and with too many digressions.
As long as a person is making some attempt to be considerate with his or her response, I don't mind the length. If someone is responding at great length to assert dominance, then I don't like it. If it shows genuine interest in what the other person is saying, and wants to explore that in discussion (and is not an ego trip) then wonderful. I don't like "superior sounding"/ patronizing posts no matter what length (I know I come across that way sometimes).
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The T
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Posted: September 13 2007 at 14:00 |
I'm very interested in reading long replies...being a long-replier myself...(something that, you'll notice here, i'm trying to change).. 
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laplace
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Posted: September 13 2007 at 14:05 |
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I spend a lot of time editing my brobdingnadian-sized posts down to their tl;dr forms. No-one ever notices because I never press "post reply" until I'm sure my response is intelligence-insulting but not downright embarrassing. =)
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Dean
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Posted: September 13 2007 at 14:08 |
Logan wrote:
I really appreciate it when someone takes the time to respond in a more thorough and thoughtful manner. I'd rather that than curt ones.
I'm interested in the exploration of ideas and how people think. One problem can be that when someone does respond in a more expansive manner, I feel obligated to respond in kind, but don't always have sufficient time (and by the time I can the discussion has moved on).
There are multiple approaches to take when responding/ many different ways to see things. I know that I'm sometimes guilty of trying to approach it from too many angles. and with too many digressions.
As long as a person is making some attempt to be considerate with his or her response, I don't mind the length. If someone is responding at great length to assert dominance, then I don't like it. If it shows genuine interest in what the other person is saying, and wants to explore that in discussion (and is not an ego trip) then wonderful. I don't like "superior sounding"/ patronizing posts no matter what length (I know I come across that way sometimes).
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I always enjoy your long posts, they are always informative and well informed, the only problem I have with them is that you've never posted anything I've disagreed with 
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cuncuna
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Posted: September 13 2007 at 15:11 |
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I was just thinking about the last time I wrotte a very long reply... I'm not sure, but I think it was like a year ago. As I said, I try to read those large replies, but when it becomes XXL, I feel tired just to look at the grey block.
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¡Beware of the Bee!
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rileydog22
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Posted: September 13 2007 at 16:53 |
darqdean wrote:
rileydog22 wrote:
I'll admit it, I tend to skip the "essays" some people seem to put down. There are only a few people (Ivan being one of them) whose longer responses maintain my attention. |
I read every last word, if someone’s gone to all that trouble to write such a repost then the least I can do is take the time to read it. I admire people who can write succinct and diminutive answers to posts, I wish I had that ability, I really do, but I don’t, believe me I’ve tried, but every time I would read back the four lonely words I had written and wonder if I someone would misunderstand their meaning, so I have to add another four words to clarify the previous four. Now I have eight words that possible add more confusion than I originally intended, so I need another eight to further explain those. And while I was writing those sixteen words another salient point popped into my head that I really just had to write down and share with you all and before I know it those words have spilt from the keyboard onto the screen. Yet as I read those words that I have just typed I realise that the two points probably weren’t that well connected in the first place so I have to write a bridging sentence to link them together. By now I’ve reached the point where I’m pretty sure that the person whose post I am replying to has given up reading due to the lamentable ten-second attention span that is so predominate in this modern world and I am readily confident that I can slip in a well place insult of that persons intelligence without fear of retribution because I know the poor muppet will never read it. This I can do with confidence because I have been getting away with on various forums for the past ten years without the need for flame-proof underwear and will probably continue to do so. Of course, the final step in producing the reply is to read it back and remove anything that is Yes are overrated rubbish possible contentious that I may have accidentally typed in a fit of piqué while being distracted by a passing crow. The final final stage is to append a suitably inappropriate smiley at the end of the post to ensure that should anyone bother to real every last word of my post they will see that it was written in good humour because, after all, emoticons are so darn cute... |
I'm not gonna lie; I didn't read your response....
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