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Yorkie X
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Topic: is the term "song" used for prog demeaning ? Posted: September 10 2007 at 11:38 |
Ever felt like you are short changing prog by referring to a piece of prog say for example "Close to the edge" and saying to your friend "check out this song" ? could it be that the term "song" is best suited to pop music, country music, aor Rap, hip hop and metal ? classical music and prog deserve perhaps a little more distinction a little more clearer way of explaining it? I just feel when we use the term song we are indicating that the vocal melody is the main character and many pieces of prog don't even use vocals I know what I`m trying to convey here I`m not sure if you get what I mean ... here's hoping
Edited by Yorkie X - September 10 2007 at 11:47
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sleeper
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Posted: September 10 2007 at 11:50 |
I have no problem with useing the term song for shorter pieces, but calling Green Carnations Light of Day, Day of Darkness a song doesnt exactly feel right and the same goes for any of the big epics, say 15+ minutes.
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Wilcey
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Posted: September 10 2007 at 11:52 |
hell.....there is too much prog with the description "song" the vital missing ingredient!
Nowt wrong with a good song!
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Posted: September 10 2007 at 12:01 |
Neither of the two options really fits my point of view. I think that "song" is as good as any term - the thing is, a song should have vocals (singing is something you do with your voice, after all), and in prog there are so very many instrumental tracks for which the definition is not appropriate. However, as Rachel said, there should be nothing disparaging in calling, for instance, "Roundabout" or "Dancing With the Moonlight Knight" songs, while I can see the problem with longer tracks.
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Posted: September 10 2007 at 12:01 |
I think the word "song" best describes relatively short, structurally simple pieces of music with vocals.
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Okocha
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Posted: September 10 2007 at 12:01 |
"Song" is ok with me...
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el böthy
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Posted: September 10 2007 at 12:28 |
Song miight not be the best description for prog in general... but it helps in keeping conversations simple
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Easy Money
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Posted: September 10 2007 at 12:37 |
What would be the alternative ?
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Posted: September 10 2007 at 13:18 |
^ I tend to use the term "track" or "tracks.".
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Posted: September 10 2007 at 13:20 |
Demeaning? Are you kidding? Regardless of content, it's only a song if it has singing. An instrumental is a tune. If it's really long and complex, perhaps neither fits alone, and needs either a new term altogether or another qualifying term.
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sleeper
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Posted: September 10 2007 at 13:30 |
Easy Money wrote:
What would be the alternative ? |
How about composition.
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Easy Money
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Posted: September 10 2007 at 13:35 |
In concert hall music a short compostion is called a piece. I think track is more hip though.
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Norbert
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Posted: September 10 2007 at 13:37 |
Not demeaning, maybe a bit misleading in some cases.
Really long compositions might be called suite or something similar.
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kingdhansak
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Posted: September 10 2007 at 13:52 |
Song, track, number, whatever - just a word!!
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R o V e R
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Posted: September 10 2007 at 14:00 |
"Close to the Edge" by "Yes" is a Fantastic Song
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Norbert
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Posted: September 10 2007 at 14:04 |
kingdhansak wrote:
Song, track, number, whatever - just a word!!
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Buddha, enlightment, nirvana - just words.Not my invention at all. 
Sorry for off topic.
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Posted: September 10 2007 at 15:01 |
Depending on the track size...but it you refuse to call any prog song a "song" reminds me of those idiotic metal elitists.
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Easy Money
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Posted: September 10 2007 at 15:14 |
ProgBagel wrote:
Depending on the track size...but it you refuse to call any prog song a "song" reminds me of those idiotic metal elitists. |
Hmmm ... idiotic metal elitist... finally a new direction for my life.
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Dean
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Posted: September 10 2007 at 16:13 |
It depends upon context I guess. But generally songs have to have singing in them - I could never refer to an instrumental as a "song". For the longer tracks it depends - I'd call Ritual - Nous Sommes du Soleil a song probably because the title is sung, whereas if I was refering to the track (or side) then I'd just call it Ritual.
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Philéas
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Posted: September 10 2007 at 16:15 |
Song it is. I see no problem with using song.
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