Finally

After a long time of ranting and raving,its good to see quadrophenia in the top 10.I have probably written several topics on this album,mostly of them before it was even considered in the good company.Oh how it warms my heart to see my fellow proggers embrace this good friend of mine.That was all for now,oh by the way:I TOLD YOU SO.There you go

Edited by mr.burns - September 09 2007 at 08:01

The Who are on this website? What the hell?

Perhaps my eyesight is not very good, but I fail to see "Quadrophenia" in the Top 10... I mean, it used to be there when The Who were added in July, but since then M@x has taken PP/PR albums away from the list. Please, could you tell me where you saw this rating? I checked twice, but didn't see it...

dAJaro wrote: if it weren't for some morons (sorry) who only rate 1 and 5 stars it would be even higher. i have seen it as high as #7 i think. but now that u raised awareness there will be even more people who cant bear to see something not really prog rated so high and a lot of bad ratings without reviews will follow.

And here's why! ;P It's only natural that people will retaliate against additions they don't agree with through reviews, and it's an option the site presents.

laplace wrote: dAJaro wrote: if it weren't for some morons (sorry) who only rate 1 and 5 stars it would be even higher. i have seen it as high as #7 i think. but now that u raised awareness there will be even more people who cant bear to see something not really prog rated so high and a lot of bad ratings without reviews will follow. And here's why! ;P It's only natural that people will retaliate against additions they don't agree with through reviews, and it's an option the site presents.

Retaliating this way is very childish and damaging for the site, as I found out to my dismay yesterday on an Italian prog forum. Personally, if I don't like a band or album, I don't review it, period - I don't give it 1 star just to bring the rating down. Adult people should know better than that.

@Mr Burns: you're perfectly right - "Quadrophenia" is at #10 of the Top 100, while the Top 50 on the home page doesn't show any PP/PR albums. They were taken off the list because they might have been misleading to prog newbies (though I didn't find their presence obnoxious in the least).

lmao

@Laplace: please re-read what you wrote. You used the word "retaliation" against controversial additions - quite different from giving one star to an album we have bought or borrowed, and found out we dislike. Unfortunately, the site gives the option of ratings without reviews, and this is the means many people use to "retaliate".  I think you've been here long enough to have seen it happen.

I probably didn't express myself as well as I could have in the above message, but it was clear I didn't mean, "you shouldn't review albums you dislike". I have as well, but certainly not with the purpose of bringing the rating down. I really don't care what rating an album has: I don't like "Scenes from a Memory", but I'm certainly not starting to give it one star to bring its rating down.

The word "retaliation" reminds me ancient wars, biblical passages, clash of tribes, well, you know all those primitive feelings that unfortunately are still around the modern human beings but we should avoid at the maximum.

Edited by Atkingani - September 09 2007 at 09:48

laplace wrote: Yes, that's true. Even so I think it's part of the same problem, because if someone goes and buys a proto or related album from the chart expecting something progressive and winds up with blues-rock, or folk, or what have you, then they still might be inclined to write a disparaging review - and since most people don't get to influence band additions to the site it's their only recourse. Such a review might look like an attack on the genre team to a member of a genre team, but to everyone else, it's more of a warning that album X may "rock" but it doesn't "prog" or some similar message. Just as a testimony that's more useful to potential buyers than a positive review which brushes over the album's prog content... to me.

People who do that are not justifiable, because it's been repeated over and over again that PP and PR are NOT prog. If some people fail to understand that, it means that either they have trouble in understanding plain concepts such as having been influential or influenced, or that they DON'T WANT to understand such concepts. As to "warnings", the purpose of reviews is precisely that of informing prospective buyers/listeners of the contents of a given album. Using them as a means of protest or whatever is useless, and can only damage the site's credibility.

I've actually noticed the most dramatic reactions to non-prog additions come, first of all, from long-time members. I don't recall often seeing people boycott unfavourable additions with 1-star ratings and reviews.