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andu wrote: ^ You can set up the Windows updates to happen exactly when you want them to... which of course doesn't make Windows safer than Mac's own, but I just wanted to correct that factual error.

I didn't say that! All I said was that when updating for Macs, you can do 4 or 5 updates at a time, and then restart once for all of them, whereas on a PC, you have to restart 4 or 5 times for 4 or 5 updates.

andu wrote: Shakespeare wrote: andu wrote: ^ You can set up the Windows updates to happen exactly when you want them to... which of course doesn't make Windows safer than Mac's own, but I just wanted to correct that factual error. I didn't say that! All I said was that when updating for Macs, you can do 4 or 5 updates at a time, and then restart once for all of them, whereas on a PC, you have to restart 4 or 5 times for 4 or 5 updates. What exactly didn't you say? 'cause I wasn't putting any words in your mouth (again I tell you that). And again I'm telling you you're wrong: you can download whatever downloads you need for your Windows, and install (hence restart) all of them at once. Or you can download and install them, and make one restart for all of them whenever you want. Maybe you use a different Windows than I - myself I have XP SP2.

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.....When I started with this new computer, I had a slew of updates for every program, and I had to do a restart for each individually, I couldn't find a way to do them all with 1 restart. On my mac, when I went through the same process, the huge list of updates only required 1 restart. That's all I'm saying.

But whatever, it's not a big deal. It's not like that one aspect would make one better than the other, anyway. I don't really care...let's let this discussion die, it's not going anywhere anyway, we're both just repeating ourselves.

Wait, did you mean OS (system) updates, or program updates?
Anyway, it's mostly the same for program updates too - you don't need to restart after each program updated, it only says the update will take effect only after restart (which is actually only a precaution, usually the update effects apply even before the restart).

bhikkhu wrote: There is really one basic question that needs to be asked. Are you a big fan of viruses, spyware (and the prigrams you need to have constantly running to combat this) , and freeze-ups?

Oh man; it's incredible how inconvenient it is to run AdAware and Spybot once a week.  I can honestly say I've never had a problem with viruses or spyware, and that anybody with a fully-functioning brain can quite easily avoid problems without any inconvenience. 

Window Vista has done a lot to improve PC security as the built in firewall is very good. You don't need to run an anti-virus program like Norton which hogs your computer's resources, instead go for one like Avast  which is barely noticable and finally don't use Internet Explorer as it's full of holes for Viruses and Spyware to get through, Firefox and Opera are much bettter options for web browsing.

And, besides, PC stole ideas from Mac OS X for Vista.

I love my new mac. That is my technical input.

I've barely used it (booted a couple of times in Ubuntu and Knoppix in order to move around some system files Windows wouldn't let me touch), but I can't help but love Linux.  It's just so awesome that everything is non-profit and open-sourced, put together for free by the warm-hearted coders of the world. 

NaturalScience wrote: bhikkhu wrote: Shakespeare wrote: And, besides, PC stole ideas from Mac OS X for Vista. Vista was Windows playing catch-up with OSX. Now that it has finally arrived, Apple is about to unveil Leopard. Oh, and I don't know why we didn't mention this before, but if you absolutely can't live without Windows, there are Intel-Macs. I did mention this before.

Whoops. Musta missed that.

And, if I'm not mistaken, Windows 1.0 borrowed quite heavily from the Apple Lisa operating system.  So it could be argued that Microsoft has been stealing ideas from Apple ever since Microsoft was founded.