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1800iareyay
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1800iareyay
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Posted: August 23 2007 at 13:24 |
I really don't see the point in separating Italy from the rest of symphonic prog. I know it cuts down on scrolling b/c symphonic would be huge, but PFM, Banco, Il Balletto di Bronzo, and Le Orme can go toe to toe with British giants any day of the week. The only difference is that RPI is a lot more emotional, or is that just me?
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Posted: August 23 2007 at 13:30 |
1800iareyay wrote:
I really don't see the point in separating Italy from the rest of symphonic prog. I know it cuts down on scrolling b/c symphonic would be huge, but PFM, Banco, Il Balletto di Bronzo, and Le Orme can go toe to toe with British giants any day of the week. The only difference is that RPI is a lot more emotional, or is that just me? |
There was a very long discussion about this some time back (before I was here)...and I think the main argument for the seperation of RPI was that this scene was very much influenced by Italian culture and tradition...enough to give it a different style than the rest of the world. Someone posted a very interesting article about this, I'll find the link in a minute....
Andrea, micky, and mandy can surely give a cleary explaination than I though...
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Posted: August 23 2007 at 13:33 |
http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=33377
a very interesting, well-written article by prog-reviewer Andrea Parentin
Edited by jimmy_row - August 23 2007 at 13:34
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1800iareyay
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Posted: August 23 2007 at 13:39 |
Well-written indeed. I have no issue with the separation, and I do find PFM and the rest to be much more classically influenced. For instance, I listened to Darwin! and Ys as if they were operas (the fact they were in italian helped, cause I know little about opera), because they were mixed classical music with emotion, which is what I hear when I listen to opera.
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Mandrakeroot
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Posted: August 24 2007 at 06:22 |
jimmy_row wrote:
By "poppy" albums I meant the mid-70's period (ie Smogmagica and Storia o Leggenda)...I've heard bits of them and they don't seem all that bad. Nevertheless, I'll wait until I have most of their catalogue before I go for the pop stuff.
What are your thoughts about Il Fiume? I've read good and bad reviews about it so it must have something controversial. |
"Il Fiume"? For me good. More neighbor to the Asia of Aria. Nevertheless big album. To my warning totally Prog. Besides it is one of their better discs of Le Oeme, above all in concert.
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Mandrakeroot
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Posted: August 24 2007 at 18:23 |
Another three RPI review: LA TORRE DELL ALCHIMISTA
La Torre Dell'Alchimista
(Studio Album, 2001)
Review by
ZowieZiggy
(Van Stichel)
Prog Reviewer
When you listen to the opening number, the sound of ELP fully surrounds
you. Maybe this is something one wouldn't expect from an Italian band
but I have to say that it sounds really pleasant. These keys are
superb, but it will be so during the whole of this album. A true
symphonic one (just a bit ojazzy during "Acquario").
But
it is not only Michele who is great; all the other band members are on
par. Very nice fluting, complex drumming, strong bass and good vocals.
Maybe that the guitar is a bit in the shadow; but you won't miss it.
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are no real outstanding tracks on this album; it is the type of record
that you need to listen to as a whole because there are no weak tracks
either. The album is of course fully dominated by Mutti Michele : a
real maestro this guy.
Lots
of nice and melodic passages, short format songs for the majority
(except "Acquario" ) which gives the sensation of a varied album. There
will be a classical number to highlight Michele skills which is
probably useless.
Besides "Eclisse", my fave is "Lo Gnomo" : violent keys and tranquil flute afterwards. Almost folkish at times.
This is a good debut album, maybe lacking in some grandeur and brilliant compositions. Three stars.
PREMIATA FORNERIA MARCONI (PFM)
Chocolate Kings
(Studio Album, 1975)
Review by
aqualung71
(Javier Estrémé)
Is brilliant, they are released two albums in english three whit this. But this is not a reedition of any album in Italian.
Is almost Genesis, jazzy feel like Yes and Focus a little of King Krimson but after all is very particular, the voice is like
Peter Gabriel but most finest. Have exelent guitar work and the keyboards have an great job. Is fast, this album is very fast
and the album title "Chocolate Kings" is weird. In my opinion this album worth, not only are the third job in english because
is very pleasant. Really worth five stars
PREMIATA FORNERIA MARCONI (PFM)
Photos Of Ghosts
(Studio Album, 1973)
Review by
Tarcisio Moura
(Tarcísio B. Moura)
With apologies to the ones who think the original italian version is
better, I must say i do prefer the english one. The main reason is that
recording sound is far lower than this one. Ok, I love italian and I
think it´s more suited to the music than english, but it works anyway.
Besides, the italian version did not have their biggest hit,
Celebration. That song is one of italy´s best exemple of a truly prog
song that has an unmistakeable national mark.
Nevertheless,
Photos Of Ghosts does not have the same impact as The World Became The
World. I think it´s a little ragged at times and some songs do not work
very well together. Make no mistake, none is crap and the good ones are
excellent, like the opening River Of Life. Those guys are brilliant
muscians and their work is, deserverly, considered italy´s best in the
70´s.
This is in my opinion PFM´s second best after The World Became The World, and a must have for any prog fan.
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Mandrakeroot
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Posted: August 25 2007 at 13:24 |
My last review: GOBLIN
Claudio Simonetti Compilation (Profondo Rosso)
(Boxset/Compilation, 1999)
Review by
Mandrakeroot
(Andrea Salvador)
COLLABORATOR Italian Prog Specialist
My review is produced using this release: D.V. MORE RECORD MCDV 6398
Rating: 9/10
If you love Goblin, Claudio Simonetti, the O.S.T. and Symphonic Prog Metal this compilation is for you. All this ingredients
are here. Because Claudio Simonetti decides to re-arrange some success played by he. And the music becomes Symphonic Prog
Metal (except in "TGamma", good Jazzy POP song and in "Twin Peaks" clear Vangelis Electronic Ambient Longue music with Rock
part). In this sense this compilation are extreme fresh and convincent. The sole real problem is represented from the label
of this release. In fact D.V. More Recond is a small label that produces good budget compilation. And I don't know that
distribution have abroad. In Italy is distributed in the departement stores. In every case we return in musical field. The
songs are great in these new versions. In my opinion this compilation should have greater spread because the songs excite,
ooze anger and horror. Simonetti plays like possessed by Satan and the atmospheres of the songs materialize upsets before our
eyes.
Upsetting. After the listening Satan will be your sole god. Welcomes to the Universal Judgment! If succeeded gained this
compilation to eyes closed. To regret for the not purchase means to cry for the despair.
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Mandrakeroot
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Posted: August 25 2007 at 20:52 |
Another Finnforest review: MINDFLOWER
Mindfloater
(Studio Album, 2001)
Review by
Finnforest
(James)
Prog Reviewer
— First review of this album —
Little known modern day Italian gem.
Mindflower is an Italian band with English-language lyrics featuring Fabio Antonelli on guitar, Fabrizio Defacqz on keys and
vocals, Alberto Callegari on bass, Micaela Gotelli, vocals, and Corrado Bertonazzi on drums. This album blew my mind because
I wasn’t expecting much as there were no reviews on the Archives, now I wonder how that could be! Stylistically the band
visits many avenues. There is traditional prog along with neo-prog, rock sections, and pastoral gentle soundscapes. While
they have their own unique sound, if I had to make comparisons to some others I would mention Renaissance, Genesis, Magic
Pie, Galahad, and early Ragnarok (Sweden). But they are not a clone of anyone, trust me.
The music is really unique sounding, magical, spacious, and intriguing. There are long gentle acoustic interludes, passages
with acoustic guitar and piano together, with soft dreamy vocals. There are sections that are quite rocking, with heavy
distortion laden guitars chugging away to nice heavy bass and good inspired drumming. I love the occasional use of strange,
less common chords. There are smartly employed keyboards which add color and texture without taking over the sound. All of
the musicians are very good players who are tasteful without being overly flashy, though the drummer does occasionally awe me
with some great fills. Most importantly is a complete lack of respect for formula and convention-bravo! They throw
everything at you in a really intimate, patient manner. You never know what to expect from the next part and it’s always
going to change to something interesting. Some people will say this means lack of focus or consistency, I say it’s people
brimming with so many ideas they can’t contain themselves, and I find it really charming on this particular album. This is
one album where time just flies by very fast when I play it meaning that it never bores me.
The five part “Magic Riddle Suite” clocks in around 20 minutes and takes up the middle part of the album. The piece is a
musical fairy tale that is as grandiose and delightful as you hope it might be, weaving together waves of soft acoustic
guitars, vocals, piano that build up to rocking parts with electric guitar, synths, and drums. They really conjure up a
world you can kick back and get lost in, in the finest tradition of the long-winded prog epics.
Addressing some problems, a reviewer at a different prog site complained that the vocals on Mindfloater were somewhat poor
but I don’t agree. I think at first listen they may seem average and not as commanding/dramatic as other bands, perhaps too
hesitant. But after many listens I have ended up growing quite fond of the vocals, the male vocals occasionally remind me of
early Gabriel and the female vocals are fragile and sweet. Second, there is something weird about the production on this
one. The electric guitars sound over-saturated in places like the recording level was a bit high so I have to listen on a
good system or they can distort a little. But like I said I’ve already fallen for this music so these issues don’t spoil it
for me.
The closing track “In a Lightbox” is another delicious track. The drumming is off on its own as a solo instrument, off in
the background doing a rhythmic ambient thing. Gentle synths are welling up before a melodic line creeps slowly into the
picture around 3 minutes. Then Micaela gently sings “Gimme your hand…don’t leave me alone…I feel like a dead stone…I wanna
be alive…” and the pastoral ending fades away. After listening to this album, I want to play it again and listen for things
I might have missed.
Be sure to give it a few spins before forming an opinion, it’s an esoteric beauty that may not make itself apparent to you at
first.
Their CD booklet and artwork are delightfully whimsical, a style which appeals to me very much. Both high-minded and
childlike the drawings feature peaceful countryside views with vibrant other-worldly colors. All of the starry-eyed lyrics
are also included featuring stories of Gnome elders, magic, yearning, and the eternal quest for that better place just beyond
the hill. Recommended for hopeless romantics, fairy-tale/fantasy prog fans and whimsy fans of all ages. What I appreciate
most about this album is that I don’t have anything else quite like it and that makes it special.
More Mindflower is coming in the future I’ve been assured, so do check out their two albums and Fabio Antonelli’s solo album
“The Art of Dreams in a Little Bottle.” I can’t wait to hear where they go in the future
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Posted: August 29 2007 at 13:04 |
This is my enthusiastic review of
GOBLIN
Claudio Simonetti Compilation (Profondo Rosso)(Boxset/Compilation, 1999)
that I recommended because when the music is great... When the music is universal...
Review by Ely78 (Elizabeth)
In truth this isn't a Goblin compilation but a great Claudio Simonetti's best with the songs in new version. Extreme good, this budget compilation is one of the obscure masterpiece of these last years. And I don't speak for nothing. Simonetti is one of the more prolific hit writers in Italy. In my opinion the Prog Metal turn performed in 90's transformed normal songs in exceptional songs. "non Ho Sonno" by Goblin is a great example. But this budget compilation is the second great example.
In my opinion the best songs are "Phenomena", "Profondo Rosso" (great solo with synth guitar), "1997: Fuga Da New York" (With first part Disco... Metal!!!, female voice, drum machine and great Prog synths), "Halloween" (this Ambient Disco Metal!!!), "Opera", "Tubular Bells" (the new version of "The Exorcist [O.S.T.] version), "Gamma", "Twin Peaks" (a very Vangelis Ambient song) and "Death Dies". All this songs are extreme fresh, thechnical and powerful (terribly powerful!!!).
And the weird songs... Where we find them? In my opinion in this compilation we find only songs little succeeded. "Suspiria" is one of these, "Zombie Zone" another of these. But in my opinion in this compilation we don't find weird songs.
In conclusion I think that this compilation is a very great compilation. Because if this compilation was exit from Cinevox this compilation would have sold millions of copies and won a lot of prizes. Vice versa is only a budget compilation...
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When the love becomes poetry, distant from the eyes
(Quando l'Amore Diventa poesia/ Lontano Dagli occhi [Aphrodite's Child)
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Posted: August 29 2007 at 13:21 |
Very good reviews guys, i just want to let you know that i just added Mauro Pelosi to RPI
Soon i will finish his album´s additions and write a review.
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Mandrakeroot
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Posted: August 29 2007 at 13:24 |
memowakeman wrote:
Very good reviews guys, i just want to let you know that i just added Mauro Pelosi to RPI
Soon i will finish his album´s additions and write a review. |
Great, great, great, great!!! (Hansi Kursh of Blind Guardian is a sh*t but great voice, eh, eh...).
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Posted: August 30 2007 at 03:23 |
Ok, so I came to this thread looking for something new. I am a BMS, Le Orme, PFM, Area, DFA, YS fan and owner (I have an Osanna album too, not as into). After looking through the lists and reading some of the posts here, I narrowed my choices down to LOCANDA DELLE FATE and Maxophone. I have decided on Maxophone based on the one clip of each I was able to hear.
I have a question regarding the album. I have heard the PFM English tranlated versions of some of their stuff.  I notice that there is an English version of Maxophone. I don't intend to buy that version, I was just curious if any of you had heard it and is it as unattractive as I found English PFM?
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Posted: August 30 2007 at 03:51 |
OK fine! I'll by The Watch too.
Quit twisting my arm.
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Posted: August 30 2007 at 11:18 |
And if you want more free advice, QVL and Alusa Fallax are awesome, if lesser known, choices! Good luck
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...that moment you realize you like "Mob Rules" better than "Heaven and Hell"
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Mandrakeroot
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Posted: August 30 2007 at 11:38 |
Tapfret wrote:
Ok, so I came to this thread looking for something new. I am a BMS, Le Orme, PFM, Area, DFA, YS fan and owner (I have an Osanna album too, not as into). After looking through the lists and reading some of the posts here, I narrowed my choices down to LOCANDA DELLE FATE and Maxophone. I have decided on Maxophone based on the one clip of each I was able to hear.
I have a question regarding the album. I have heard the PFM English tranlated versions of some of their stuff.  I notice that there is an English version of Maxophone. I don't intend to buy that version, I was just curious if any of you had heard it and is it as unattractive as I found English PFM? |
Englush PFM unattractive? For me the English albums of PFM are between the better things of the Italian Prog...!!!
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Mandrakeroot
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Posted: August 30 2007 at 11:42 |
Well... For a recommendations of Italian live albums, Tapfret, see this thread:
The RPI (and related) live reviews special
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Posted: August 30 2007 at 12:37 |
Mandrakeroot wrote:
Tapfret wrote:
Ok, so I came to this thread looking for something new. I am a BMS, Le Orme, PFM, Area, DFA, YS fan and owner (I have an Osanna album too, not as into). After looking through the lists and reading some of the posts here, I narrowed my choices down to LOCANDA DELLE FATE and Maxophone. I have decided on Maxophone based on the one clip of each I was able to hear.
I have a question regarding the album. I have heard the PFM English tranlated versions of some of their stuff.  I notice that there is an English version of Maxophone. I don't intend to buy that version, I was just curious if any of you had heard it and is it as unattractive as I found English PFM? |
Englush PFM unattractive? For me the English albums of PFM are between the better things of the Italian Prog...!!!
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Wow, first time I've ever heard anybody say that. Call me an elitist (or purest or some other est), but when I buy Italiano, I want to hear Italiano.
But thanks for the link.
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