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Poll Question: "Genesis is" or "Genesis are" ?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 15 2007 at 12:20
Yep, that's how I use it as well, Philéas.

As you say, if "band" is mentioned, I would say "King Crimson is a great band", but without the "band" part, it would be "King Crimson are great".

A band is usually a group of people, so "is", is referring to a singular band, in this case, named "King Crimson".

However, "are" is used in the latter sentence, because it is not clear whether we are referring to a band, or an individual.  So I would write "are", rather than "is", to clearly show I am referring to a band (a group of individuals, so several "is's"), rather than a single artist named "King Crimson".
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 15 2007 at 12:32
True - depends on the context:

The members of Genesis are great musicians
Genesis is a great band
Phil Collins is a short fat baldy wan

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Edited by Jim Garten - August 15 2007 at 12:33

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 15 2007 at 12:35
An excerpt of page 97:

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Edited by Geck0 - August 15 2007 at 12:43
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 15 2007 at 12:38

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 15 2007 at 12:43
It had to be said. LOL
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 16 2007 at 03:51
I'd make similar comments about James LaBrie's live vocal style too... eg:

Individual members of Dream Theater are great musicians

Dream Theater is a fairly good band

James LaBrie is under the mistaken impression his live vocals don't sound like a small puppy being castrated with a rusty razor whilst being hit repeatedly over the head with a large bratwurst.


That is, I would make such comments, but wouldn't dream of doing so on a public forum

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 16 2007 at 03:51
I just did, didn't I?

Sorry.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 20 2007 at 17:24
I say is but I think both are correct



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 20 2007 at 23:28
you must use 'is'. The band is referred to as a single entity, a single noun. Although the band consists of several members, there is only one band being refered to. I'm pretty sure that it is grammatically incorrect to use 'are'. I cannot confirm this, but I am an  English major. Hopefully, I know what i'm talking about...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 20 2007 at 23:31
Originally posted by purplepiper purplepiper wrote:

you must use 'is'. The band is referred to as a single entity, a single noun. Although the band consists of several members, there is only one band being refered to. I'm pretty sure that it is grammatically incorrect to use 'are'. I cannot confirm this, but I am an  English major. Hopefully, I know what i'm talking about...
 
I would agree with you, and almost wrote the same thing, but then, what about a band like The Beatles.  Surely you would not say "The Beatles is..."
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 23 2007 at 20:27
Originally posted by The Doctor The Doctor wrote:

Originally posted by purplepiper purplepiper wrote:

you must use 'is'. The band is referred to as a single entity, a single noun. Although the band consists of several members, there is only one band being refered to. I'm pretty sure that it is grammatically incorrect to use 'are'. I cannot confirm this, but I am an  English major. Hopefully, I know what i'm talking about...
 
I would agree with you, and almost wrote the same thing, but then, what about a band like The Beatles.  Surely you would not say "The Beatles is..."

I will saying "The beatles is" all a times.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 23 2007 at 20:44
Are is plural, is is single.....how simple can it be.
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