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    Posted: August 20 2007 at 08:34
Ermm So, I'm soon going to buy a brand-new, kick-ass computer, and this time I'm seriously thinking of going for a Mac (it has been recommended as perhaps the best for the things I do (music, photos, games, etc.)

My question/concern is, are there any known compatibility problems with using a Mac on Prog Archives, or any serious problems with switching to a Mac, in general?

I've never owned/used one, so any informed feedback from Mac users, and perhaps the Admins, would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks in advance, friends! Smile

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 20 2007 at 10:06
If what you want from your computer are the usual things such as listening to music, watching films, playing games, browsing the internet, chatting, editing and archiving your documents (images, texts, etc), then I suggest you stick to the PC. The MAC was not designed for these things, but rather for being used by professionals in various areas such as, for example, image or film processing. The MAC is a computer to use at work, and the PC is the one to use at home.

The MAC's strength is it's reliability, which comes from a very compact structure of it's software. If you get a MAC, you will find that you need other programs than the default MAC programs, and the more of them you install, the more damage you inflict to the compact structure I was mentioning, therefore functioning problems occur. It also has a different interface and until you learn all it's tricks, it's rather annoying. And finally, most of the programs that were initially developed for the PC have versions for MAC, but these MAC versions usually are less developed, sometimes missing essential features.

I was recently given the occasion to have a very good (2500 dollars worth) MAC at my disposal for a week's time, for both work (DTP, which is an area of professional image processing) and personal entertainment. At first I was amazed at how good it was doing it's job, but then...
- I installed Yahoo Messenger but the MAC version looks awful and doesn't have the Voice Call feature, so I also had to install Skype too
- the video player sucks, as it has a very sloopy video filter (meaning that it's video rendering was syncopated) and a primitive audio filter (meaning that it had problems with newer audio formats and bringing the sound to a minimal, satisfying volume); a better video player and a serious filter pack are needed
- ITunes sucks, with it's limited file conversion and editing options and weird file stocking for example
- Safari, the web browser, does not have protection against ads (especially noisy ones Dead), making browsing sometimes horrendous; it also can't be customized the way Firefox can, for example;
- many others as such

So as I started making modifications to the programs and installing new ones, it begun having problems while using the major applications (such as Quark, Freehand, Photoshop) I was using; the MAC's owner even said that he never needed to use "Force quit" or to restart it for better performance before! We talked about these things and we agreed the best thing is to have both a MAC for work and a PC for personal activities.

Sorry Peter, I don't think you needed to know all these, they belong to the Ranting Room EmbarrassedLOL Basically if you're not a very advanced PC user than you won't feel a big difference when passing to the MAC, and there are also major advantages like it's a lot safer (viruses are developed usually for PCs), it's very silent (it doesn't have a radiator) and it's easy to move (it doesn't have a central unit, everything is hidden in the monitor which is very slim), so go for it! Thumbs%20Up
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 20 2007 at 10:14
I bought the iMac G5 two years ago, and I love it. It never freezes, it's great for music (and other media), it's self contained (no big tower), and Apple Care is a great service program (I highly recommend buying it). The best thing is you don't have to run a bunch of programs to keep junk off your computer. Don't listen to the hype that nothing is compatible. Microsoft makes an office version for Mac, and there is a Messenger for Mac. Both are completely compatible. Once in a rare while you will run into something that is only available for Windows. However, if you look hard enough, you will find a program for Mac that does the same thing. Every once in a while, something doesn't work with Safari. Firefox will work in those situations (don't even bother with Internet Explorer, it sucks).

Every time I hear people whining about their issues with PCs, and Windows, I know I made the right choice. OSX does take a little while to get used to. After I got comfortable with it, I couldn't stand Windows when I tried it again. Get one. You won't be sorry.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 20 2007 at 10:14
Peter,

The next release of Mac OS X will feature Bootcamp, an ability to run Windows natively on Mac hardware and switch between the Windows and Mac OS at boot time.

http://www.apple.com/macosx/bootcamp/

So you can run the Mac OS most of the time, and boot into Windows if you really need to.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 20 2007 at 10:19
Originally posted by andu andu wrote:

If what you want from your computer are the usual things such as listening to music, watching films, playing games, browsing the internet, chatting, editing and archiving your documents (images, texts, etc), then I suggest you stick to the PC. The MAC was not designed for these things, but rather for being used by professionals in various areas such as, for example, image or film processing. The MAC is a computer to use at work, and the PC is the one to use at home. The MAC's strength is it's reliability, which comes from a very compact structure of it's software. If you get a MAC, you will find that you need other programs than the default MAC programs, and the more of them you install, the more damage you inflict to the compact structure I was mentioning, therefore functioning problems occur. It also has a different interface and until you learn all it's tricks, it's rather annoying. And finally, most of the programs that were initially developed for the PC have versions for MAC, but these MAC versions usually are less developed, sometimes missing essential features.I was recently given the occasion to have a very good (2500 dollars worth) MAC at my disposal for a week's time, for both work (DTP, which is an area of professional image processing) and personal entertainment. At first I was amazed at how good it was doing it's job, but then... - I installed Yahoo Messenger but the MAC version looks awful and doesn't have the Voice Call feature, so I also had to install Skype too- the video player sucks, as it has a very sloopy video filter (meaning that it's video rendering was syncopated) and a primitive audio filter (meaning that it had problems with newer audio formats and bringing the sound to a minimal, satisfying volume); a better video player and a serious filter pack are needed- ITunes sucks, with it's limited file conversion and editing options and weird file stocking for example- Safari, the web browser, does not have protection against ads (especially noisy ones Dead), making browsing sometimes horrendous; it also can't be customized the way Firefox can, for example; - many others as suchSo as I started making modifications to the programs and installing new ones, it begun having problems while using the major applications (such as Quark, Freehand, Photoshop) I was using; the MAC's owner even said that he never needed to use "Force quit" or to restart it for better performance before! We talked about these things and we agreed the best thing is to have both a MAC for work and a PC for personal activities.Sorry Peter, I don't think you needed to know all these, they belong to the Ranting Room EmbarrassedLOL Basically if you're not a very advanced PC user than you won't feel a big difference when passing to the MAC, and there are also major advantages like it's a lot safer (viruses are developed usually for PCs), it's very silent (it doesn't have a radiator) and it's easy to move (it doesn't have a central unit, everything is hidden in the monitor which is very slim), so go for it! Thumbs%20Up


OK, don't use Yahoo messenger. Use Microsoft, or iChat. I love iTunes, I find it much easier to use than WMP. I also found a plugin for Safari that blocks everything (including those annoying audio ones here on PA ).

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 20 2007 at 10:54
Originally posted by bhikkhu bhikkhu wrote:

OK, don't use Yahoo messenger. Use Microsoft, or iChat.


In this part of the world everybody uses YM, so if I didn't use it too I would be cut from the world. I know there are other messengers that can import the contact list from YM, but I have yet to see a better interface than YM's (that includes MSN, Windows Messenger, Skype, Google Talk, etc.)

Originally posted by bhikkhu bhikkhu wrote:

I love iTunes, I find it much easier to use than WMP.


I wasn't comparing ITunes to such primitive tools as Winamp, but to advanced programs such as foobar2000. Wink

Originally posted by bhikkhu bhikkhu wrote:

I also found a plugin for Safari that blocks everything (including those annoying audio ones here on PA ).


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 20 2007 at 10:58
I use a mac and a PC, both with PA as the homepage, there are no downsides to the Mac.

Get GARAGE BAND for your mac: it's a program to make music, and it's really easy and incredibly fun to use. It's what I've been using.

(Everyone who has never used a Mac has a prejudice against it, everyone who has EVER used a mac is in love with them. Go with the apple.)

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 20 2007 at 11:19
Originally posted by Shakespeare Shakespeare wrote:

I use a mac and a PC, both with PA as the homepage, there are no downsides to the Mac.

Get GARAGE BAND for your mac: it's a program to make music, and it's really easy and incredibly fun to use. It's what I've been using.

(Everyone who has never used a Mac has a prejudice against it, everyone who has EVER used a mac is in love with them. Go with the apple.)


I've used MACs in the past and hate the damn things. Tongue
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 20 2007 at 11:55
Ermm Hmmmm....
 
Opinions -- like results, it seems -- vary. Confused
 
I'm a little confused, but thanks to all for responding. I'm still willing to give the Mac a go, though -- next move is to talk to the tech guys here at work, and at my local computer store, I guess (they're good).
 
BTW, it was my brother in law, a recently retired IBM service rep, who recommended the Mac for me -- he has a good understanding of what I do on my computer. For the record, I am decidedly a non tech-savvy type of guy. I really know very little about computers, and the arcana of their inner workings!
 
Any extra comments/insights/experiences are welcome -- and how about you PA admins: any Mac - PA issues?Smile
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 20 2007 at 12:01
Originally posted by N Ellingworth N Ellingworth wrote:

Originally posted by Shakespeare Shakespeare wrote:

I use a mac and a PC, both with PA as the homepage, there are no downsides to the Mac.

Get GARAGE BAND for your mac: it's a program to make music, and it's really easy and incredibly fun to use. It's what I've been using.

(Everyone who has never used a Mac has a prejudice against it, everyone who has EVER used a mac is in love with them. Go with the apple.)


I've used MACs in the past and hate the damn things. Tongue

Keyword: PAST! You haven't tried their new and improved junk, have ye? 100% times easier, simpler, sleeker, smoother, fast than PCs, guaranteed (with only 1 or 2 exceptions).
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 20 2007 at 12:05
Originally posted by Peter Peter wrote:

For the record, I am decidedly a non tech-savvy type of guy. I really know very little about computers, and the arcana of their inner workings!


In this case Peter you won't really miss anything by switching to the MAC. It'll only take you a little time to get used to the interface. I recommend you to go for the MAC and also to keep your old PC. Smile
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 20 2007 at 12:08
With me being in the design industry, I pretty much have used Macs exclusively. I have a G5 here at the office, and a G4 iBook at home, and both work perfectly for PA. I've never had issues.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 20 2007 at 18:12
Originally posted by Peter Peter wrote:

Ermm Hmmmm....
 

Opinions -- like results, it seems -- vary. Confused

 

I'm a little confused, but thanks to all for responding. I'm still willing to give the Mac a go, though -- next move is to talk to the tech guys here at work, and at my local computer store, I guess (they're good).

 

BTW, it was my brother in law, a recently retired IBM service rep, who recommended the Mac for me -- he has a good understanding of what I do on my computer. For the record, I am decidedly a non tech-savvy type of guy. I really know very little about computers, and the arcana of their inner workings!

 

Any extra comments/insights/experiences are welcome -- and how about you PA admins: any Mac - PA issues?Smile


I'm a tech dinosaur too. I've actually only owned my own computer for 3.5 years. The first one I bought was a used iMac G3. I had only used Widows before. I got used to OSX pretty quickly. Three weeks after I had it, I got hit by lighting. It messed it up just enough to keep me from connecting to the internet. My only option at the time was trading it for a Compaq. Being back with Windows after that brief time with a Mac was enough to convince me. It got so I absolutely hated Windows. That's when I started saving for my G5.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 21 2007 at 03:00
Originally posted by Shakespeare Shakespeare wrote:

Originally posted by N Ellingworth N Ellingworth wrote:

Originally posted by Shakespeare Shakespeare wrote:

I use a mac and a PC, both with PA as the homepage, there are no downsides to the Mac.

Get GARAGE BAND for your mac: it's a program to make music, and it's really easy and incredibly fun to use. It's what I've been using.

(Everyone who has never used a Mac has a prejudice against it, everyone who has EVER used a mac is in love with them. Go with the apple.)


I've used MACs in the past and hate the damn things. Tongue

Keyword: PAST! You haven't tried their new and improved junk, have ye? 100% times easier, simpler, sleeker, smoother, fast than PCs, guaranteed (with only 1 or 2 exceptions).


I'm tech savvy enough to build and maintaim my own PCs so I don't really care whether Macs are easier to use of not Wink

Plus Macs are not really gaming machines which is what I mainly use my PC as.

As for faster I seriuosly doubt that any MAC is faster than my current PC Tongue
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 21 2007 at 14:30
One problem for me with Macs is that games that have been downloaded off the internet usually don't work.
 
I'm not sure if this applies to you, but it's probably good to know anyway. Smile
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 21 2007 at 22:05
Originally posted by Shakespeare Shakespeare wrote:

I use a mac and a PC, both with PA as the homepage, there are no downsides to the Mac.

Get GARAGE BAND for your mac: it's a program to make music, and it's really easy and incredibly fun to use. It's what I've been using.

(Everyone who has never used a Mac has a prejudice against it, everyone who has EVER used a mac is in love with them. Go with the apple.)


Actually, I had to use Macs a few years in school and found PCs to be much easier to use. 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 22 2007 at 11:31
Originally posted by rileydog22 rileydog22 wrote:

Originally posted by Shakespeare Shakespeare wrote:

I use a mac and a PC, both with PA as the homepage, there are no downsides to the Mac.

Get GARAGE BAND for your mac: it's a program to make music, and it's really easy and incredibly fun to use. It's what I've been using.

(Everyone who has never used a Mac has a prejudice against it, everyone who has EVER used a mac is in love with them. Go with the apple.)


Actually, I had to use Macs a few years in school and found PCs to be much easier to use. 


Yeah, that's because they get the stupid macs. They don't pay the $1400 for the top-of-the-line labtops. The school ones suck, my school uses those.

Also, you may have grew up using PCs (like me) and got used to them. But if you were given a nice, top of the line mac, and used it a lot, and got used to, I'm sure you would prefer it.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 22 2007 at 11:58
There is really one basic question that needs to be asked. Are you a big fan of viruses, spyware (and the prigrams you need to have constantly running to combat this) , and freeze-ups?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 23 2007 at 19:43
Originally posted by bhikkhu bhikkhu wrote:

There is really one basic question that needs to be asked. Are you a big fan of viruses, spyware (and the prigrams you need to have constantly running to combat this) , and freeze-ups?

ClapClapClap

(Not to mention having to download each individual update separately, and having to restart for each one, whereas Macs let you update a handful and restart once for all of them.)

Long live the Mac.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 23 2007 at 20:16
^ You can set up the Windows updates to happen exactly when you want them to... which of course doesn't make Windows safer than Mac's own, but I just wanted to correct that factual error.
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