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philippe 
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 Posted: August 19 2007 at 11:10 |
^ interesting view. I've heard anything published from 70's krautrock era and I must say that my impression is similar (thinking about enjoyable trips: ultima thule, Francfurt 1971, Koln 1972, Alpha Centauri, Zeit...)
For me the band died after the trilogy Pheadra / Rubycon / Ricochet
...also atomic, heavy psych exhibitions from the dark stoned German Oak, Mythos (first only) Gaa, Brave New World...
CAN is the most overestimated band in krautrock history , 3/4 of their music is garbage. I wonder what a genius as Holger Czukay is doing in this band
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Posted: August 19 2007 at 10:51 |
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Im not the one who ceares for sub genres very much but.. Tangerine Dream & Kraftwerk are not Krautrock they are Progressiv Electronic.  |
that could be argued; the first albums of Tangerine Dream (up to "Atem") are definitely Krautrock, and I would even include "Phaedra" and "Rubycon" into Krautrock too. the reason is that on these albums the music is freely flowing, which is one of the characteristics of Krautrock. the instrumentation is rather conventional on the early albums too. "Ricochet" is a borderline case; from "Stratosfear" on the albums became composed through, and I agree with you that Tangerine Dream's music should be classified as "progressive electronic" after that
some may argue that the early albums were composed though too and point out that there is a score of "Alpha Centauri" on the inner sleeve of the original vinyl version of the album; that score, however, was written after the album had been recorded |
I am totally agree with this description. In my opinion the 70's TD Krautrock's albums are one of the best music that I listen to!!!
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Posted: August 19 2007 at 10:15 |
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And while Klaus Schulze is on the agenda what about his drumming on Ash Ra Temples' 1st and Join Inn and Code III !
Jesus!
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Jesus! meaning bad or good? The Ash Ra Tempel tapes will show that Klaus Schulze has more influence and likable style than simple drumming...though there are places he will...simply drum. Code III is a very eccentric and mind-hurting experiment of sound, ethnic atmosphere and incantations - Schulze drums a lot, yes, but the album doesn't represent him.
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Yukorin
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Posted: August 19 2007 at 10:12 |
And while Klaus Schulze is on the agenda what about his drumming on Ash Ra Temples' 1st and Join Inn and Code III !
Jesus!
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Posted: August 19 2007 at 10:08 |
I am as much into HerbSkirt as the next! Sounds like a tasty genre.
Had a lot of German friends back in London and also Japan who were more surprised that anyone knew anything about German underground music than cared about the genre name. Think it originally came from a Melody Maker hack but as Faust and Amon Duul 2 embraces it it's kinda stuck now.
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Posted: August 19 2007 at 09:30 |
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Agreed with BJ and Ddean, the early movement of Tangerine Dream can be considered kraut rock, till at least the transition of Atem (and Green Desert, who sounds like an exploitable sort of dark sequence music). To a slight difference, this period won't reflect the drone-like machine-traums of Schulze, nor the great schizmas of reality and dark fantasy of Ash Ra Tempel, but surreal, scorching and penetrating cosmic analogies, sound-experimentalism and ambience-distortion.
Electronic Meditation seems to me a totally independent sound-music taste, I mean the brink of alienation is very close, even for those that aren't purists of the kraut/electronic lascivious development.
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Dean
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Posted: August 19 2007 at 09:24 |
I think that Electronic Meditation through to Atem are without question Krautrock, even though personnally I am very uncomfortable with the term as its roots are in a disparaging English insult.
(Then maybe I'm over-reacting and the German people are as immune towards such insults as we Poms/Tommys/Rosbifs/Limeys are - but I doubt it)
I prefer Kosmische Musik, (Cosmic Music), as that is a more apt description of the music that I like, rather than the regional source of the musicians, though Google translates Krautrock as Herb Skirt - which is a brilliant hashish induced pun.
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BaldJean
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Posted: August 19 2007 at 08:29 |
Zargus wrote:
Im not the one who ceares for sub genres very much but.. Tangerine Dream & Kraftwerk are not Krautrock they are Progressiv Electronic. |
that could be argued; the first albums of Tangerine Dream (up to "Atem") are definitely Krautrock, and I would even include "Phaedra" and "Rubycon" into Krautrock too. the reason is that on these albums the music is freely flowing, which is one of the characteristics of Krautrock. the instrumentation is rather conventional on the early albums too. "Ricochet" is a borderline case; from "Stratosfear" on the albums became composed through, and I agree with you that Tangerine Dream's music should be classified as "progressive electronic" after that some may argue that the early albums were composed though too and point out that there is a score of "Alpha Centauri" on the inner sleeve of the original vinyl version of the album; that score, however, was written after the album had been recorded
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Zargus
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Posted: August 19 2007 at 08:03 |
Im not the one who ceares for sub genres very much but.. Tangerine Dream & Kraftwerk are not Krautrock they are Progressiv Electronic.
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Posted: August 18 2007 at 22:27 |
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I've never been a big fan of Wolf City or Yeti, but Phallus Dei and Tanz Der Lemminge are certainly amongst the premier Kraut albums in my collection.
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micky
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Posted: August 18 2007 at 20:46 |
they are... plus Wolf City as well. A more refined album... but all of them are simply great albums
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The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip
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Posted: August 18 2007 at 20:39 |
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I have a question for you Krautrock experts. Which Amon Düül II album should I buy: Phallus Dei, Yeti, Tanz der Lemminge or all three? |
All three. In that order.
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If the albums are half as awesome as the samples on PA, it will be money well spent! 
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Posted: August 18 2007 at 20:38 |
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I have a question for you Krautrock experts. Which Amon Düül II album should I buy: Phallus Dei, Yeti, Tanz der Lemminge or all three? |
All good, but my favorite is the next one:: WOLF CITY 
This is more concise and straight than the first 3cds, but as good minus some self indulgent parts you won't find with Wolf City.
Would be a good thing that you read the reviews here on PA to give you a feel about each one.
Anyway if you have money to spare , buy them all 4; after, the quality is going down, but VIVE LA TRANCE is still OK. 
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Posted: August 18 2007 at 20:37 |
Chameleon wrote:
I have a question for you Krautrock experts. Which Amon Düül II album should I buy: Phallus Dei, Yeti, Tanz der Lemminge or all three? |
All three. In that order.
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Over land and under ashes
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Leningrad
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Posted: August 18 2007 at 20:28 |
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I have a question for you Krautrock experts. Which Amon Düül II album should I buy: Phallus Dei, Yeti, Tanz der Lemminge or all three?
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febus
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Posted: August 17 2007 at 19:01 |
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As far as I'm concerned Krautrock is the name given to any German prog bands..? |
Sounds good to me  , but other than you and me might differ. Get ready! 
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Posted: August 17 2007 at 18:59 |
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set me up with an album that sounds like Floh de Cologne's "Mumien" please =)
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Posted: August 17 2007 at 18:52 |
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As far as I'm concerned Krautrock is the name given to any German prog bands..?
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febus
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Posted: August 17 2007 at 18:48 |
Shouldn't we start with the understanding of the name KrautrocK????
Are we talking only about experimental/ psychedelic/ jazzy german bands?
like FAUST, AMON DUUL 2. GURU GURU, CAN, etc.......
Or can we add other German bands such as GROBSCHNITT, NOVALIS, ELOY,JANE , WALLENSTEIN.HOLDERLIN, WITHUSER, SFF and many more.....???
It seems there are 2 school of thoughts about the meaning of the word Krautrock; personaly, i go with the second one.  |
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Posted: August 17 2007 at 18:19 |
I'm not as familiar with Krautrock as I would like to be, but I've got albums by a fair few bands. I absolutely adore Amon Düül II and Can (they seem to be the most popular artists when it comes to Krautrock, and with good reason).
Does anyone else think that Neu! 4 is complete rubbish?
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