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    Posted: August 14 2007 at 21:41
The line-up information on the album "Concerto Grosso Live" (http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=9765) is incomplete and partly wrong.
 
It should be as follows:

- Vittorio De Scalzi / vocals, keyboards, flute, classic guitar
- Alfio Vitanza / drums, vocals
- Roberto Tiranti / bass, vocals
- Andrea Maddalone / electric and acoustic guitars, vocals
- Mauro Sposito / electric guitar, vocals
- Maurizio Salvi / keyboards, orchestra director

- Orchestra Filarmonica di Torino (tracks 1 - 5)
- Ensemble Camillo Sivori (tracks 6, 7)
 
Total playing time of the album (Italian edition, without bonus track "Dreams and Tears") is 53:35
 
Please also correct track 3 title, it should be:
3. Concerto Grosso N. 2 (Vivace / Andante (Most dear Lady) / Intro a moderato / Moderato (Fare you well dove)
- instead of  ...(Fare you weew dove)
 


Edited by NotAProghead - August 14 2007 at 21:47
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Points: 13032 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 14 2007 at 21:47
Thanks NotAProghead.
 
I updated the line up, if you also have the tracks lenght i would appreciate so much to let me know.
 
Thanks again
 
By the way, Very nice review!Clap


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I just edited the post, please also correct track 3 title.
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Fixed, thanks!

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Points: 7851 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 14 2007 at 22:05
My Italian edition has different tracks' numeration.
If it's helpful, here it is:
 
Concerto Grosso N. 1
1. Allegro 2:35
2. Adagio (Shadows) 5:41
3. Cadenza / Andante Con Moto 4:31
4. Shadows (per Jimi Hendrix) 5:41
 
5. In St. Peter's Day 4:19
 
Concerto Grosso N. 2
6. Vivace 4:27
7. Andante (Most dear lady) 4:15
8. Intro a Moderato 1:05
9. Moderato (Fare you well dove) 5:01
 
10. Le Roi Soleil 5:37
11. Una Miniera 4:16
12. Preludio/ Signore, Io Sono Irish 4:09
13. Wings 1:54
 
In my opinion, it looks better.
But, if you'll use such numeration it is necessary to correct one line in my review:
"Both Concerti Grossi, as well as tracks 2, 4, 5,"
It should be: "Both Concerti Grossi, as well as tracks 5, 10, 11,"
 
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Points: 13032 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 14 2007 at 22:26
Originally posted by NotAProghead NotAProghead wrote:

My Italian edition has different tracks' numeration.
If it's helpful, here it is:
 
Concerto Grosso N. 1
1. Allegro 2:35
2. Adagio (Shadows) 5:41
3. Cadenza / Andante Con Moto 4:31
4. Shadows (per Jimi Hendrix) 5:41
 
5. In St. Peter's Day 4:19
 
Concerto Grosso N. 2
6. Vivace 4:27
7. Andante (Most dear lady) 4:15
8. Intro a Moderato 1:05
9. Moderato (Fare you well dove) 5:01
 
10. Le Roi Soleil 5:37
11. Una Miniera 4:16
12. Preludio/ Signore, Io Sono Irish 4:09
13. Wings 1:54
 
In my opinion, it looks better.
But, if you'll use such numeration it is necessary to correct one line in my review:
"Both Concerti Grossi, as well as tracks 2, 4, 5,"
It should be: "Both Concerti Grossi, as well as tracks 5, 10, 11,"
 
 
I had found this:
 
 
As you see it also contains the bonus track, but i like the way you used better, but my final question would be if you believe i should take also the bonus track time so the total time would be 57:46 instead of 53:35, or i leave it as it is, i may write in perenthesis (Total time without bonus track) if its the case.

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memowakeman, I think this variant is better:

Concerto Grosso N. 1
1. Allegro 2:35
2. Adagio (Shadows) 5:41
3. Cadenza / Andante Con Moto 4:31
4. Shadows (per Jimi Hendrix) 5:41
 
5. In St. Peter's Day 4:19
 
Concerto Grosso N. 2
6. Vivace 4:27
7. Andante (Most dear lady) 4:15
8. Intro a Moderato 1:05
9. Moderato (Fare you well dove) 5:01
 
10. Le Roi Soleil 5:37
11. Una Miniera 4:16
12. Preludio/ Signore, Io Sono Irish 4:09
13. Wings 1:54
 
Total time 53:35
 
Releases information
2001 CD GROOVE IT CD 22228
 
2001 CD Pony Canyon, Korea.
Contains bonus track:
14. Dreams And Tears 4:11
 
Line-up/Musicians
- Vittorio De Scalzi / vocals, keyboards, flute, classic guitar
- Alfio Vitanza / drums, vocals
- Roberto Tiranti / bass, vocals
- Andrea Maddalone / electric and acoustic guitars, vocals
- Mauro Sposito / electric guitar, vocals
- Maurizio Salvi / keyboards, orchestra director

- Orchestra Filarmonica di Torino (tracks 1 - 11)
- Ensemble Camillo Sivori (tracks 12, 13)
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Points: 7851 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 15 2007 at 07:47
By the way, some time ago this album was in New Trolls catalogue.
 
Yesterday, before writing my review, I hardly found the album in the site.
I knew for sure that the album is presented in PA and I found it - surprusingly in the letter D:
DE SCALZI - LA STORIA DEI NEW TROLLS, VITTORIO.Angry
 
Those who know New Trolls but don't know about De Scalzi's band we'll never find it.
 
I think we have to either bring De Scalzi's band back to New Trolls catalogue or to move them to the letter V, because
VITTORIO DE SCALZI LA STORIA DEI NEW TROLLS is the name of the band


Edited by NotAProghead - August 15 2007 at 10:09
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Originally posted by NotAProghead NotAProghead wrote:

By the way, some time ago this album was in New Trolls catalogue.
 
Yesterday, before writing my review, I hardly found the album in the site.
I knew for sure that the album is presented in PA and I found it - surprusingly in the letter D:
DE SCALZI - LA STORIA DEI NEW TROLLS, VITTORIO.Angry
 
Those who know New Trolls but don't know about De Scalzi's band we'll never find it.
 
I think we have to either bring De Scalzi's band back to New Trolls catalogue or to move them to the letter V, because
VITTORIO DE SCALZI LA STORIA DEI NEW TROLLS is the name of the band
 
Thank you very much, i updated the album with the info you provided me!Smile
 
Regarding this issue, i will share your suggestion with my teammates in order to receive feedback and decide wheter the album should return to NT´s page or stay as a different band under V, as you pointed out, which i think would be the best option.
Please be patient, when we move the band or album, i will let you know.
 
Thanks again.
 

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Points: 2064 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 15 2007 at 12:45
Probably it would be better...
 
NEW TROLLS, Vittorio De Scalzi - La Storia dei
 

The problem is not so simple indeed...

 

After 1998 split up there are three bands featuring original New Trolls’ members that play New Trolls’ repertoire...

 

  1. Il Mito dei New Trolls, featuring Ricky Belloni, Giorgio Usai and, until november 2006, Nico di Palo

 

  1. Il Cuore dei New Trolls, featuring drummer Gianni Belleno

 

  1. La Storia dei New Trolls, featuring Vittorio De Scalzi (aka Vittorio De Scalzi – la storia dei NEW TROLLS, or if you prefer as listed in PA: De Scalzi – La storia dei New Trolls, Vittorio).

 

Because of legal problems none of these bands were allowed to use New Trolls name...

 

In november 2006 Nico Di Palo joined Vittorio De Scalzi’s band and now they can use again the name NEW TROLLS, but the other bands, “Il Mito” and “Il Cuore” are still active and touring...

 

“Il Mito dei New Trolls”, although without Nico Di Palo, are going to release a new album with new songs in 2007...

 

“La Storia” released two live albums, but they could be considered also as solo works of Vittorio De Scalzi, nevertheless all the songs are from NT repertoire... The last New Trolls release “Concerto Grosso – The Seven Seasons” features all the band of Vittorio De Scalzi plus Nico Di Palo...

 

Of course, you can list all these records in New Trolls discography (and update the biography), but they are not official releases of NEW TROLLS...

 



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Yes. Thanks for the feedback again andrea. Thumbs%20Up

I'm going to change the name to VITTORIO DE SCALZI - LA STORIA DEI NEW TROLLS then.


EDIT: done!

Edited by Tuzvihar - August 15 2007 at 12:54
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Originally posted by memowakeman memowakeman wrote:

Please be patient, when we move the band or album, i will let you know.
memowakeman, please, don't take that 'angry' smile serious.
I'm not a furious guy at all Smile
 
Thanks for the updates.


Edited by NotAProghead - August 15 2007 at 15:40
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Great, thanks guys!

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Points: 7851 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 15 2007 at 15:46
This is not the end.
You forgot to correct 2 lines:
- Orchestra Filarmonica di Torino (tracks 1 - 5)
- Ensemble Camillo Sivori (tracks 6, 7)
 
They should be now:
- Orchestra Filarmonica di Torino (tracks 1 - 11)
- Ensemble Camillo Sivori (tracks 12, 13)
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Done! Wink
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