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Poll Question: Seems a hell of a lot of CD users on here!
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    Posted: August 09 2007 at 08:39

Know fact that CD users are def as a door post, Vinyl users are not..Big%20smile

So at a guess 95% of this place's members will vote for:def..But it would be nice to know the remaining percentage.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 09 2007 at 08:52
mark me down as deaf. ;P i'm sure I'll never get to use a stereo system good enough to accentuate the slim differences between cda and an original pressing.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 09 2007 at 09:12
deaf, though I have a musician's good hearing.

Vinyl's are part of something my father will leave in his will to me. Our vinyl-player broke, other one are rare to find...so I ain't gonna play vinyl for a long, long time.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 09 2007 at 09:13
I find your smug elitism off-putting. Tetragon. I will not vote in your poll.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 09 2007 at 09:15
deaf. but that's because I play drums - so no vote is needed from me.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 09 2007 at 09:20
For the sake of this poll I'm deaf, because I even think that the sound of CDs is superior to vinyl (provided that the mix/mastering is done correctly). The funny thing is that even though I'm apparently deaf I still manage to tune my guitar correctly by ear ... Wink
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 09 2007 at 09:24
Originally posted by thellama73 thellama73 wrote:

I find your smug elitism off-putting. Tetragon. I will not vote in your poll.
 
Don't worry about it.Oh you know it's rude to point!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 09 2007 at 09:28
Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

For the sake of this poll I'm deaf, because I even think that the sound of CDs is superior to vinyl (provided that the mix/mastering is done correctly). The funny thing is that even though I'm apparently deaf I still manage to tune my guitar correctly by ear ... Wink


oh right! If I would actually compose, I would be the next Beethoven. LOL


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 09 2007 at 09:38
Originally posted by Ricochet Ricochet wrote:

deaf, though I have a musician's good hearing.

Vinyl's are part of something my father will leave in his will to me. Our vinyl-player broke, other one are rare to find...so I ain't gonna play vinyl for a long, long time.
 
 
No wonder, if you let that stupid cat in your signature  screw around with your turntable....LOL
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 09 2007 at 09:46
Originally posted by Sean Trane Sean Trane wrote:

Originally posted by Ricochet Ricochet wrote:

deaf, though I have a musician's good hearing.

Vinyl's are part of something my father will leave in his will to me. Our vinyl-player broke, other one are rare to find...so I ain't gonna play vinyl for a long, long time.
 
 
No wonder, if you let that stupid cat in your signature  screw around with your turntable....LOL


Ah, that explains why I can't get a cat for a pet. LOL
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 09 2007 at 09:47
Why would you want a cat? They've got no personality.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 09 2007 at 09:50
Oy, another one who doesn't like cats?! Angry Am I alone on this world? TongueDisapprove

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 09 2007 at 10:44
Originally posted by Ricochet Ricochet wrote:

Oy, another one who doesn't like cats?! Angry Am I alone on this world? TongueDisapprove

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I love cats! My family has four and they all have very distinct personalities.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 09 2007 at 12:00
There's a lot of inverted snobbery regarding LPs. My guess is that many of those who think them superior to CDs would only be able to tell the difference by the crackles, clicks and skips. I have literally thousands of LPs, and much prefer the sleeves which they came in, but sound wise, give me a CD any day.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 09 2007 at 12:06
I love cats, too, I was only playing. The only reason I ever talk bad about cats is because, in relation to dogs, they suck.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 09 2007 at 12:12
Originally posted by Ricochet Ricochet wrote:

Oy, another one who doesn't like cats?! Angry Am I alone on this world? TongueDisapprove

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What's wrong with cats?!?AngryTongue

Ah, and count me as deaf as well....LOL
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 09 2007 at 12:20
I loved that movie "Cats and Dogs" because cats were the evil ones and dogs were the heroes. w00t. It's so historically accurate. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 09 2007 at 12:46
Dogs are SO overrated! Wink

Anyway, CDs and vinyls sound different, but I don't think either sounds better than the other. With the kind of equipment I have the difference isn't very big anyway, so I guess I'm deaf.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 09 2007 at 12:55
I prefer shellac myself - when you get bored with the music you can soften it in a warm oven and make a nice fruit bowl. Wink
 
I actually do not have an issue with standard CD audio - it works just fine, most of my vinyl sits unplayed, slowly accruing value...
 
I do have an issue with lossy formats like mp3 that deliberately throw away information - now that disc storage is no longer at a premium we really don't need mp3 (at all, ever) - let me buy FLAC or wav-files, I've got the bandwidth and a Terabyte of disc space; my iPod is only 3/4 full and I'll happily dump a couple of Arch Enemy albums to make space for few Floyd tracks Smile
 
Most of the arguments between CD and Vinyl boil down to the equipment used to play them rather than the formats themselves. No one can seriously say a CD played on a PC is superior to a vinyl played on a medium priced HiFi (yet they try); and to buy a CD transport that is on par with a £200 turntable you could end up paying 5 times that. A £500 CD transport will last 2 years before the bearings dry-out and the laser-tracking begins to stick and jump, (what the hell is Error 6??? - I've got two players that regularily come up with that message), yet a 40 year-old turntable still plays perfectly. At the end of the day - the CD is convenient up to a point, but vinyl still "sounds better" to me.
 
I do, however, question some of the claims made for CD audio - if it were as perfect as some people make out then there would be no need for the higher bit-counts, faster sampling-rates and wider frequency ranges that are now available within the various high definition audio formats - yet they all exist and the list is growing.
 
Truth is the audio signal starts and ends in the analogue-domain - inbetween it is convolved into the digital-domain and back again and in doing that some information is lost; it bCensoredggers off into infinity in both directions and you cannot get it back - that's physics and you cannot change it - the real question is can you hear it?
 
In 1984 we where told you cannot hear a difference - but we could, so they added loads of filtering and 18 times over-sampling, and some people could still tell the difference. Now we have SACD, but no one is buying it; and we will soon have Blu Ray audio and no one will buy that either. Sony et al must be spending this development money for a reason, but I cannot fathom what that reason really is if 99% of the buying public are happy with mp3 downloads at over-inflated prices.
 
What I would like to see is more money spent on developing new pure analogue formats. A 'vinyl' that doesn't scrach or warp, one that is immune to dust and wear. On that doesn't need RIAA equalisation to minimise groove width. A affordable turntable that doesn't rely on physical contact. Then the value of my vinyl collection will really skyrocket Approve
 
(now you wish you hadn't started this topic Wink)
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 09 2007 at 13:03
Originally posted by darqdean darqdean wrote:

What I would like to see is more money spent on developing new pure analogue formats. A 'vinyl' that doesn't scrach or warp, one that is immune to dust and wear. On that doesn't need RIAA equalisation to minimise groove width. A affordable turntable that doesn't rely on physical contact. Then the value of my vinyl collection will really skyrocket Approve


Wow, THAT is a great idea, and one I've never heard anyone propose before. Maybe you should start your own company. Wink
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