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avestin ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: September 18 2005 Status: Offline Points: 12625 |
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Not really a poll, this is more to:
1. Get a (what will probably a small) discussion about these two related Japanese chamber rock groups.
2. Expose them to newer crowds who may not know them yet.
I added ZYPRESSEN a while back and I hope to add Lacrymosa when time permits (along with another Japanese avant-rock band, Amygdala). Press the links to read more.
From the little background I know, Zypressen only released one s/t album, influenced by Univers Zero and Lacrymosa apparentely released two albums (at least I only know of two, which are the albums I've heard but I read somewhere there are two more...). Both demonstrate a nice and well performed chamber rock (UZ being a big influence).
So, any impressions/thoughts you have of those?
Any other bands I/we should know of and listen to?
Edited by avestin - August 02 2007 at 19:53 |
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laplace ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: October 06 2005 Location: popupControl(); Status: Offline Points: 7606 |
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I know these bands from my japanese kick, and having heard both, I prefer Zypressen - less humour and more beauty. I find Zypressen's music fairly wintery and sad, rather than jarring and heavy-going like the famous UZ albums. You could still compare Zypressen to the UZed album, or maybe Implosion?
I found Lacrymosa more in line with bands like Cro Magnon and X-Legged Sally and I question if that's really my thing, sometimes. ;P |
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coleio ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Joined: February 06 2006 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 272 |
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What's chamber rock?
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Eat heartily at breakfast, for tonight, we dine in Hell!!
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chamberry ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: October 24 2005 Location: Puerto Rico Status: Offline Points: 9008 |
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It's the combination of Chamber Music and Rock. Maybe you'll hear a rock band with a cello and violin or maybe a chamber group with drums and bass, line-ups in the same vein end up being called chamber rock. On to the topic: I haven't heard Lacrymosa, but Zypresen is great! I'm thinking on reviewing it soon. I won't vote, though. |
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Rainer Rein ![]() Forum Newbie ![]() Joined: March 28 2006 Location: Estonia Status: Offline Points: 19 |
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I surely prefer Zypressen because of more "beautiful" and "juicy" soundspectrum and "warmness" of acoustic instruments. Lacrymosa seems IMHO too "sterile-sounding" and more"colder" than Zypressen.
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honganji ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: September 21 2005 Status: Offline Points: 571 |
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I prefer Zypressen.
![]() By the way, the band leader of Lacrymosa, Saito Chihiro also played in Katra Turana and Golden Avant Garde.
Katra Turana is considered as a chamber rock group. 1st album (Saito played only in this album) is more serious sound than 2nd album Kimera and 12 inch single The End. But I prefer The End and Kimera than 1st album Katra Turana.
![]() Golden Avant Garde has released only 1 album in 1990s. This is also Saito's leader group but very different from Lacrymosa. He said this was cyber-punk rock.
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avestin ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: September 18 2005 Status: Offline Points: 12625 |
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I have the Golden Avant Garde album and like it as well, different somewhat than those two bands, more rock oriented or rather the guitar is more dominant as is the electrified sound (sound more like some other post-punk bands).
I do not know Katra Turana, but I will track it down and get to know them. Thanks for the info, as always!
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VanderGraafKommandöh ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: July 04 2005 Location: Malaria Status: Offline Points: 89372 |
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Great thread, Assaf!
I've heard both Lacrymosa and Zypressen once and need to hear them both again. I remember enjoying one of the bands more than the other, but I forget which one. I've tried ordering both albums from ReR, but they cannot get them, hopefully that will change. I do have an Amygdala album though, but I've yet listen to it. I got that album from Greg Walker. I also need to listen Golden Avant Garde, which I do have access to. Like Assaf, I do not know Katra Turana. |
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Logan ![]() Forum & Site Admin Group ![]() ![]() Site Admin Joined: April 05 2006 Location: Vancouver, BC Status: Offline Points: 37398 |
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I have yet to hear either. I'm particularly interested in hearing Zypressen.
It need not have strings, but it generally has acoustic instruments. It's best heard in a small venue... such as a chamber pot ![]() The players tend to be very good in Chamber Rock, and there's often more playfulness and subtlety than in other forms of rock. It's more minimal than some other types of music, but each part is well-integrated. Incidentally, some bands associated with chamber rock have quite large ensembles, but I tend not to classify those as chamber rock. It's music best played in an intimate venue. I love chamber rock, but then I would rather go see a classical music trio or quartet than a symphony orchestra. That's sort of my take on it beyond line-up, anyway. I started with classical chamber music (love cello, violin, piano trios), and apply the same basic principles to chamber rock (as I said rock tend to have small ensembles anyway, but it's an approach to making/ performing music beyond utilising acoustic instruments). Edited by Logan - August 03 2007 at 15:10 |
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VanderGraafKommandöh ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: July 04 2005 Location: Malaria Status: Offline Points: 89372 |
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So are small klezmer bands classed as Chamber Music as well? Klezmer isn't so minamalist, but he bands are quite often small (although they can also number many as well).
Alamaailman Vasarat I class a chamber klezmer band, for example. |
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Logan ![]() Forum & Site Admin Group ![]() ![]() Site Admin Joined: April 05 2006 Location: Vancouver, BC Status: Offline Points: 37398 |
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Or as Alamaailman Vasarat humorously describe themselves (quote only) "kebab-kosher-jazz-film-traffic-punk..." chamber music. I think of AV as chamber rock, I don't know about all the klezmer bands. Certainly their music owes much to klezmer music. There's lots of klezmer music that could be described as a kind of chamber music, certainly (though the term is generally used for a kind of classical music of course, so I don't think one would normally classify it as such). "Chamber klezmer music" sounds like a good classification to me. Not all klezmer-based music with small bands would fit I would think (generally, strictly speaking, it should be one player to a part with tight interplay of musicians -- harmonics).
Lots of ethnic/ folk music might be brought under the umbrella. Edited by Logan - August 03 2007 at 16:07 |
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