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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 01 2007 at 13:44
Originally posted by The T The T wrote:

And, I repeat: I like "And Then there were 3" more than I like "The Lamb"... (just trying to pick up another fightTongue)....

<--yawns and stretches, opens his eyes, picks his nose and scratches his... --> I like the Lamb more, And then there were three was always a bit painful to listen to on LP, too compressed (remember they needed to lower the bass input to press the 50+ minutes of every Genesis record on to vinyl), too shrill, but the remaster arranged that and now the 5.1 is like from another world, and NO! I am not receiving commissions from Camino Records or whatever Tongue. Can't wait for the Lamb 5.1.
 
Originally posted by The T The T wrote:

So I guess it's no surprise that I tend to like Relayer more than 90125, is it?  We all appreciate every music for what it causes in our minds and hearts... While some may love post-hackett genesis, some don't. I kind of fall in between. And that's the great thing here: we don't HAVE to like either one side or the other or EVERYTHING...
I know what my favorite style of music is too, but my main point (and you can guess and read that it's dangerous to voice your opinion here on ProgArchives) is that it'd be sad to leave out other music completely, though judging by the inclusive nature of prog, little by little all relevant groups will be listed here as proto-prog, prog influenced or whatever... Queen, Beatles, Kamelot, etc.
 
Originally posted by The T The T wrote:

There's no need for philosphical or scientific answers here... only a simple "matter of taste" should do...
Sure it's a matter of taste. My opinion, clarifying, is that Calling All Stations is better than the three previous Genesis releases (we can't dance, invisible touch and genesis), comparable to Abacab (which I like, was one of the first LP records I bought, so I HAD to like it).

And no prog rock doesn't mean it has to be progressive literally and forcibly change, my definition (until the web came and erased all holes in knowledge) was that it was ,normally, music you couldn't dance to and that women didn't like (for the most) :-)

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 01 2007 at 13:49
It's not dangerous to voice your opinion at PA at all. It is inadvisable though to talk down to people.
Your opinion is just that - your opinion.
You are quite entitled to come here and voice your opinion, your theories about Prog, The Universe, Everything and even post-Prog Genesis. Just try not to act like we haven't heard it all before...Wink
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 01 2007 at 14:16
Originally posted by mgallard mgallard wrote:

<--yawns and stretches, opens his eyes, picks his nose and scratches his... -->  Is there any need to describe to us what you do in the mornings? I like the Lamb more, And then there were three was always a bit painful to listen to on LP, too compressed (remember they needed to lower the bass input to press the 50+ minutes of every Genesis record on to vinyl), too shrill, but the remaster arranged that and now the 5.1 is like from another world, and NO! I am not receiving commissions from Camino Records or whatever Tongue. Can't wait for the Lamb 5.1.
 
I know what my favorite style of music is too, but my main point (and you can guess and read that it's dangerous to voice your opinion here on ProgArchives) If there's a place where it's NOT dangerous to voice your opinion is this, PA. Unless that opinion is bigotry or insulting. And even in that case, it's not that it's DANGEROUS. We won't come after an offender at night armed with bats and wearing socks in our faces to take him to a river and dump him. The most "dangerous" that can happen to an offender is... to be expelled from the Archives, which I guess won't be reason for any suicides attempts... is that it'd be sad to leave out other music completely, though judging by the inclusive nature of prog, little by little all relevant groups will be listed here as proto-prog, prog influenced or whatever... Queen, Beatles, Kamelot, etc. Of course it is! With that I agree! Shocked It's not that your point was completely, absolutely incoherent, it's THE WAY and MANNER.... We know that. As Tony R said, what we don't like is someone coming and acting like if that person holds THE truth that has been denied to us since ever....
 
Sure it's a matter of taste. My opinion, clarifying, is that Calling All Stations is better than the three previous Genesis releases (we can't dance, invisible touch and genesis), comparable to Abacab (which I like, was one of the first LP records I bought, so I HAD to like it). Perfectly valid opinion. Most people here would disagree, but that doesn't make them right or you wrong.

And no prog rock doesn't mean it has to be progressive literally and forcibly change, my definition (until the web came and erased all holes in knowledge) was that it was ,normally, music you couldn't dance to and that women didn't like (for the most) :-)That's a too generalizing and somewhat a-musical definition, but that won't casue any uproar here.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 01 2007 at 14:20
Originally posted by Rocktopus Rocktopus wrote:

  Actual fanboys of Kylie Minogue, almost doesn't exist.

They actually do....Tongue

Progfans like Wanorak got something to learn from Britney fans, in that respect.  Yes! Britney fans have a much higher sense of style!! Tongue
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 01 2007 at 17:31
Originally posted by The T The T wrote:

Originally posted by Rocktopus Rocktopus wrote:

  Actual fanboys of Kylie Minogue, almost doesn't exist.

They actually do....Tongue Not as in buying her whole catalogue, finding rare b-sides etc...

Progfans like Wanorak got something to learn from Britney fans, in that respect.  Yes! Britney fans have a much higher sense of style!! Tongue You just want to misunderstand me, don't you?



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 01 2007 at 23:13
Originally posted by Rocktopus Rocktopus wrote:

Originally posted by The T The T wrote:

Originally posted by Rocktopus Rocktopus wrote:

  Actual fanboys of Kylie Minogue, almost doesn't exist.

They actually do....Tongue Not as in buying her whole catalogue, finding rare b-sides etc...



 
Oh man, there are fans, B sides, everything, as an experiment I just visited http://www.britneyspears.musictoday.com/main/portal/layout?p_l_id=130.1 (Britney Fan Club) using my secretay's PC (Already cancelled her membership Wink) I feel my IQ has gone down 10 points.
 
They are as fanatic as we are.
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 01 2007 at 23:53
Originally posted by Rocktopus Rocktopus wrote:

Originally posted by The T The T wrote:

Originally posted by Rocktopus Rocktopus wrote:

  Actual fanboys of Kylie Minogue, almost doesn't exist.

They actually do....Tongue Not as in buying her whole catalogue, finding rare b-sides etc...

Progfans like Wanorak got something to learn from Britney fans, in that respect.  Yes! Britney fans have a much higher sense of style!! Tongue You just want to misunderstand me, don't you?



 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 01 2007 at 23:55
Are there kyliesnobs here? Wink
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 01 2007 at 23:55
Originally posted by Ivan_Melgar_M Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:

Originally posted by Rocktopus Rocktopus wrote:

Originally posted by The T The T wrote:

Originally posted by Rocktopus Rocktopus wrote:

  Actual fanboys of Kylie Minogue, almost doesn't exist.

They actually do....Tongue Not as in buying her whole catalogue, finding rare b-sides etc...



 
Oh man, there are fans, B sides, everything, as an experiment I just visited http://www.britneyspears.musictoday.com/main/portal/layout?p_l_id=130.1 (Britney Fan Club) using my secretay's PC (Already cancelled her membership Wink) I feel my IQ has gone down 10 points.
 
They are as fanatic as we are.
 
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No... they're even "worse" (if the term applies) as they're actual FANS OF THE PERSON... they will forgive her everything, if she does booze, drugs, sex with a whole army platoon, shaves his head, whatever... She may go and kill somebody and her fanboys would say there was some justification... At least we prog fanboys are fans mostly of the music..... And of course sometimes we like some prog masters a lot.... But please.... If Phil Collins shaved his head, do you really think we'd still love him? Tongue
 
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 01 2007 at 23:56
Originally posted by Ivan_Melgar_M Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:

Are there kyliesnobs here? Wink
 
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Well, not a fan of her music, but she's a goddess....EmbarrassedBig%20smile
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 02 2007 at 00:07
Why are we still arguing this?
 
We have talked this guy to a pulp!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 02 2007 at 00:09
Originally posted by schizoid_man77 schizoid_man77 wrote:

Why are we still arguing this?
 
We have talked this guy to a pulp!
 
Because the actual topic is not that bad....
 
Because we have to make our points clear....
 
Because it's late at night and I have to find a justification for my being so idiot as to be in the internet when I should be sleeping... LOLTongue
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 02 2007 at 00:15
Originally posted by The T The T wrote:

 
No... they're even "worse" (if the term applies) as they're actual FANS OF THE PERSON... they will forgive her everything, if she does booze, drugs, sex with a whole army platoon, shaves his head, whatever... She may go and kill somebody and her fanboys would say there was some justification... At least we prog fanboys are fans mostly of the music..... And of course sometimes we like some prog masters a lot.... But please.... If Phil Collins shaved his head, do you really think we'd still love him? Tongue
 
 
 
Some months ago I wrote about this, but it's related.
 
I was watching A&E  and they were passing a day in Chicago Airport, amopng the real problems, traghgedies, etc, there were 4 guys in their late teens early 20's (Big enough) in frapper costume running all around the airport because someone said Eminem was going to stop there.
 
The guys were a menace, they entered everywhere, shouted Eminem's name, etc, until a police woman stopped them while the cameras filmed.
 
The older guy shouted I want to see Eminem because he's my idol, he's "da man", I want to be like him when i grow (For God's sake the guy was in his 20's!!!)
 
They said that if Eminem shaked their hand this would be the best day in their existence, that they knew he would probably be in a VIP room not to mess with normal humans Dead but if he knew they were there he would shake their hands.
 
At the end a clerck checked the passengers list (Something I believe is illegal) and told them Eminem was not going to be in Chicago Airport that day, you should see their faces, they hugged each other in comfort, one of them even let some tears go down his face, but he got brave and shouted "Not today, but some day i will shake his hand"
 
Can somebody say they are not worst than us??????
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 02 2007 at 03:38
Originally posted by Rocktopus Rocktopus wrote:

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Not in my case, that's what makes us different from blind fanboys, for example a Britney fan will buy anything she releases without even having listened a note, he doesn't care if the album is good or bad or even if he likes the music, it's cool, he's a fan that's enough to buy the whole catalogue.



That was what you actually wrote, and it makes you different from blind fanboys, not 'us'.

Lots of Rush, Iron Maiden and so on... fans are faithful for 20-30 years, collecting everything. None of the Britney fanatics will stay that way longer than the Spice Girls fanatics did. Fanboyism that can last for 20-30 years never happens with producer-products like Britney,  that's why these artists always disappear. Look at Britney's forerunners in the 80's. The whole Stock/Aitken/Wateman gang (atleast in Europe). The only one with the slightest relevance is Kylie Minougue, because she was brought back to life, when getting murdered by Nick Cave.

Madonna has outlasted all of them because she's got talent for writing hits herself (and she's better and smarter), and has always managed to get new fans to her music. While Jethro Tull lasted through the 80's mostly on ageing, faihtful fans buying their records, going to their concerts no matter how awful or irrelevant their music had gotten. 


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 02 2007 at 04:33

I doubt if anyone here could be accused of being regressive - everyone has their favourite bands and their favourite band's "best" period, i guess if you ask any musician which is their best album they will say "the next".  The late 60's and early 70's were a very fruitful and influential period for rock music, as is today, but maybe some of the best music has still yet to be written...? Wink

 
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 02 2007 at 08:42
Originally posted by Ivan_Melgar_M Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:

 
They are as fanatic as we are.
 
 
 
QUICK!  We must find something to separate us from them and clearly show we have superior musical taste!  Everyone, arm yourselves with Yes and PFM albums!
 
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 02 2007 at 12:26
Originally posted by Rocktopus Rocktopus wrote:



That was what you actually wrote, and it makes you different from blind fanboys, not 'us'.
 
I honestly don't believe most Prog fans are so loyal, most of Yes fans i know wouldn't buy Big Generator, I hardly know an ELP fan that would't admit Love Beach, In the Hot Seat  and Re-Works (Brain Salad Perjury) are very bad albums.
 
It's allmost a concensus among Genesis Prog Fans that Invisible Touch or We Can't Dance are not precisely collection items.

Lots of Rush, Iron Maiden and so on... fans are faithful for 20-30 years, collecting everything. None of the Britney fanatics will stay that way longer than the Spice Girls fanatics did.
 
The owner of the Britney Spears fan page is 35 years old, but I aghree they don't stay in the fanboyism business for such long terms for two basic reasons:
  1. Pop artists are not generaly manufactured (Yes, most ogf them are manufactured) to last so much.
  2. People grow, it's rare to see a 40 years guy cheering for Britney.

But when theyn last they are real fanatics, there are thousand of persons who had face surgeries to look like Michael Jackson (befoire his nose started to fall LOL), he was being trialed fior child abuse with more than clear evidences and the court yards were full of 40 year and older fans screaming and cheering for his freedom.

Fanboyism that can last for 20-30 years never happens with producer-products like Britney,  that's why these artists always disappear. Look at Britney's forerunners in the 80's. The whole Stock/Aitken/Wateman gang (atleast in Europe). The only one with the slightest relevance is Kylie Minougue, because she was brought back to life, when getting murdered by Nick Cave.
 
Normally Pop artists don't last so much, that's true, but if they last, the fanboys are there, already mentioned Michael Jackson and you later mention Madonna.

Madonna has outlasted all of them because she's got talent for writing hits herself (and she's better and smarter), and has always managed to get new fans to her music. While Jethro Tull lasted through the 80's mostly on ageing, faihtful fans buying their records, going to their concerts no matter how awful or irrelevant their music had gotten. 
 
Jethro Tull survived mostly because of theior concerts where they played old stuff, he's the Prog artist I seen more times and he rarely plays later stuff.
 
In the band bio is said they had a media of 15,000.00 audience per night until the late 90's, and that's a lot.
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 02 2007 at 13:32
Bring back the Mariah thread!!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 02 2007 at 13:39
Originally posted by Vibrationbaby Vibrationbaby wrote:

Bring back the Mariah thread!!


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 02 2007 at 14:19
Originally posted by Ivan_Melgar_M Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:

 
Jethro Tull survived mostly because of theior concerts where they played old stuff, he's the Prog artist I seen more times and he rarely plays later stuff.
 
In the band bio is said they had a media of 15,000.00 audience per night until the late 90's, and that's a lot.
 
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Jethro Tull is the only band listed on this site that has visited my country... that means that:
 
- either they can afford to visit such an a-musical place
- they're so past their primer they HAVE to visit weird, a-musical places...LOL.....Confused.....Angry...Cry
 
Please! Even the Rush fanboys (calm down admin! WinkLOL) may love all their music, collect all their, well, collectibles, even the DT fanboys who are a among the most insane fanboys in all prog will collect everything but mostly music-related products...Believe me, if Mike Portnoy released a new cologne-perfum "Scent of a memory" nobody would buy it, if Geddy lee would release a new brand of men's underwear, nobody would buy it, even our admin.. Wink....
 
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