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The T 
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Honorary Collaborator Joined: October 16 2006 Location: FL, USA Status: Offline Points: 17493 |
 Topic: p-r and p-p out of top-ten...Posted: July 31 2007 at 14:23 |
Enough said.... I guess my voice and others were heard, and if not, anyway, great decision...
Again:
Now that top-100 and that most-popular album thing look more like belongin to a prog site.... Now a visitor won't be scared away by non-prog acts....
Third time is the charm:
Edited by The T - July 31 2007 at 14:24 |
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Easy Livin
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Honorary Collaborator / Retired Admin Joined: February 21 2004 Location: Scotland Status: Offline Points: 15585 |
Posted: July 31 2007 at 14:49 |
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The admin team have been discussing this with M@x. He is a great listener!!
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The T
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Honorary Collaborator Joined: October 16 2006 Location: FL, USA Status: Offline Points: 17493 |
Posted: July 31 2007 at 14:51 |
I can tell... from his favorite albums...
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1800iareyay
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Joined: November 18 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 2492 |
Posted: July 31 2007 at 15:33 |
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Yes, this is my favorite part of teh new overhaul. Quadrophenia deserves it's glory, but it shouldn't be in the top 50 unless you allow it to be. Well done m@x. Now, might I suggest, making the most popular album free of PP and PR? The WHo have occupied that spot since they were added, and as someone said on another thread (can't remember who or hich thread), it could give pople the wrong idea about this site. Otherwise, keep up the great work m@x and admins
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progismylife
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Joined: October 19 2006 Location: ibreathehelium Status: Offline Points: 15535 |
Posted: July 31 2007 at 15:35 |
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^The most popular album is no longer by The Who but Pink Floyd.
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1800iareyay
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Posted: July 31 2007 at 15:39 |
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I noticed that right after I posted
 . Oh well
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Ricochet
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Posted: July 31 2007 at 15:49 |
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I had no problems with them in the top, it is a complain equal to those of "too popular albums" being always ahead of many other ones in my eyes, but I guess a bit of fix has its merit.
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chopper
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Posted: July 31 2007 at 16:49 |
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I said this in another thread, but if you look at the top 100 (by clicking the link at the bottom of the Top 50 on the home page) p-p and p-r are there (e.g. Quadrophenia is at number 20).
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Easy Livin
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Posted: August 01 2007 at 03:37 |
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Yes, it is jsut the initial chart you see on the home page which has been changed. M@x is still considering further changes.
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The Whistler
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Joined: August 30 2006 Location: LA, CA Status: Offline Points: 7113 |
Posted: August 01 2007 at 04:40 |
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... (why are we talking in c-de?)
Oh, wait, OH! I get it...proto and prog related, yeah. Gotta admit, as much as I hate it, all of you talking weirdo language does make me think harder. Which rarely happens in real people land (as you might have guessed). Edited by The Whistler - August 01 2007 at 04:41 |
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"There seem to be quite a large percentage of young American boys out there tonight. A long way from home, eh? Well so are we... Gotta stick together." -I. Anderson
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MikeEnRegalia
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Posted: August 01 2007 at 07:23 |
Maybe you could remind him about live albums in the top 100 on the front page ... they should be removed as well. And while we're at it: On the top 100 page the search filters don't work together too well ... when I select "studio albums" and then another genre, the "studio albums" selection is lost, and generally the selection of album type isn't highlighted.  |
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Easy Livin
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Posted: August 01 2007 at 11:03 |
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Noted Mike. I'll raise it with M@x.
I'm not sure that we have an overall consensus about live albums through, what do others think about not allowing them in the top 100?
Last time I questioned this, I mentioned "Pictures at an exhibition" by ELP, which is otherwise unavailable on a studio album (in full). Someone suggested it should be reclassified as a studio album, which is clearly not the answer!
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chopper
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Posted: August 01 2007 at 11:07 |
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I don't see why live albums shouldn't be in the Top 100. "Pictures" is perhaps the best example of why we shouldn't exclude them, also CDs such as ELP's "Welcome Back My Friends" which features substantially different versions of songs such as "Aquatarkus" and "Take a Pebble" should be there.
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Ricochet
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Posted: August 01 2007 at 11:14 |
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I wouldn't exclude live albums at all. At least 70% of live albums are original or show the artist's full expression. If they are good albums or very popular ones, even better.
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andu
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Joined: September 27 2006 Location: Romania Status: Offline Points: 3089 |
Posted: August 01 2007 at 11:17 |
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I also vote for keeping live albums... not sure about DVD, though. I'll think some more.
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Dean
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Posted: August 01 2007 at 11:20 |
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Ummagumma, Ricochet and Elegy are other slightly problematic "live" albums (not to mention Three Sides Live)
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What?
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Equality 7-2521
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Joined: August 11 2005 Location: Philly Status: Offline Points: 15784 |
Posted: August 01 2007 at 11:23 |
First off great job removing Pr and PP.
I was always for removing live albums also but you raise an interesting case with PanE. I don't feel it would be fair to exclude albums of completely original material like that, but as you said you can't say that it's not a live album. SO I would say live albums stay.
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"One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. "
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Raff
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Posted: August 01 2007 at 11:24 |
100% agreed  . Personally, as I have often stated, finding PP/PR albums in the Top 100 didn't make me lose sleep at all - but then, I have never cared about such lists, though I understand they can function as a guide for people who are new to prog and want to get some reliable recommendations before parting with their hard-earned cash. However, I don't understand what's wrong with live albums, especially the ones which feature a high level of improvisation. Live albums are an integral part of a band or artist's output, and I can't see any reason for excluding them from a list which is supposed to be a guide to the best prog around. |
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Ricochet
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Posted: August 01 2007 at 11:27 |
eh, I don't think there's good reason to eliminate various releases besides lives and studio from a generic most popular top, it would be both narrow in perspective and drastic in suggesting the great rated values around the site. I think mainly PR and PP bands had the usual problem and bicker of "non-prog", as to not be able to face a common and total top list. Otherwise, there are still great PP and PR bands, that is, bands who deserve totally to be in those two genres. |
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The T
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Posted: August 01 2007 at 13:39 |
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I think live albums should be eliminated from the top-100. As brilliant as some may be, those are, in a way, compilations; as art goes, I think the highest expression is the studio album; live albums are an expression of the art of the performance, but the art of creativity is used mostly in studio albums. The same with DVDs.
For situations like ELP's Mussorgsky's rendition, I'd re-categorize it as a studio album, which I know is quite incoherent but it would be a good way to include it in the list.
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