Regressive archives???

Ivan_Melgar_M wrote: mgallard wrote: Ahhh the typical progsnobbishness, just because your taste is limited to prog, doesn't make the rest of the music bad... poor shortsighted beings. Widen your tastes, certainly "Calling All Stations" is much better than most of the music out there, though of course there is better too, but even so, it certainly is in the top third of the lot. M.   Mgallard.....Have you read our posts before replying?   <snip>   Prog is my favorite genre, I don't hide it and I'm not embarrassed of it, by the contrary, but my taste is not limited to Prog either.   Before you give arrogant opinions about us being snob without even having enough comprehension to understand what we wrote, read again make a concentration effort (It may hurt if not used to), think it and only then reply.   I believe everything Genesis did after Hackett left is bad, not because it's POP because ATTW3 and Duke were Prog albums, I believe it's bad because they lost all the imagination and released a sub-standardt product.    Iván

Typical bold and large fonts, meant to impress or scare... use the normal font, and bold to emphasize, no need for 25 or 35 pixel fonts... .

I find it quite unimpressive and short-sighted to use broad strokes to encompass ALL the music made after Hackett left, but that's your prerogative, if you want to show how "insulted" you are by the output of Genesis post-Hackett, you can do so, maybe some fall for your act. I don't, because there is a lot of good music post Hackett, and that's MY opinion, of course, I listen to Duke as much as I do to Lamb Lies (which is my favorite in the end), I listen to Abacab more often than I do to Trespass, and so on. That I don't like an album all that much is not reason for me to insult the band I love, Invisible Touch isn't so great, neither is We Can't Dance, but Calling all stations is actually a step upwards in quality and it was a shame Genesis used popularity (sales, concert tickets) as a measurement of their success and then called it quits.

You try to flaunt your wide tastes (they aren't) to show how open minded you are, but then you say you like NOTHING(!) they did after Hackett left, this just serves to show how closed you mind actually is... no, you don't impress me.

I like music and I respect bands that evolve, even if they don't evolve in a direction I like or evolve away from a style I liked. Would I have enjoyed Genesis more if they'd continued making prog a la Lamb Lies Down all the way till 2007... maybe, but by now I think THEY would have been bored to death. I prefer the course that history actually took, the 3 man Genesis making good albums with some prog and some not-prog, Peter making good albums in his style, Collins making good albums in his style, Mike and The Mechanics making very good pop albums, Tony making a few good albums (I'm surprised he didn't fare better), Anthony Phillips and Steve making very good albums in a number of styles, where Hackett has been the most adventurous and of the highest quality, actually the best artist of them all. The sum of the parts has been more than the whole. I respect them all for all the work they've done, even at their most pop, they have always been very recognizable and distinct from the rest of their contemporaries and certainly NOT bad pop or bad rock!

Mogens

I think if Kevin Gilbert had lived he would have gotten the Genesis gig(he was scheduled to audition not long after his death)and we would probably be talking about Calling All Stations in tones of reverential awe.

Ivan_Melgar_M wrote: mgallard wrote: magnus wrote: Is it regressive thinking Trespass, Nursery Cryme, Foxtrot and Selling England by the Pound generally are far superior to all the other Genesis albums? Yes   Then I'm a Regressive fan and not ashamed of, for me Genesis ceased to exist the moment Steve Hackett left the band.   But just one question....Since when Progressive Rock has the slightest relation with evolution, change or Progress?   Iván

Exactly. It has nothing to do with these things. It's just a type of sound.

We all know the old Zappa quote "there are two kinds of music, good and bad". Well sometimes music lovers act like religious fanatics. (Have you ever been to a metal forum: Is it metal? Is it not metal? Who cares!) There is not one universal truth about music. Nor can everything be labeled.

mgallard wrote: Ivan_Melgar_M wrote: mgallard wrote: Ahhh the typical progsnobbishness, just because your taste is limited to prog, doesn't make the rest of the music bad... poor shortsighted beings. Widen your tastes, certainly "Calling All Stations" is much better than most of the music out there, though of course there is better too, but even so, it certainly is in the top third of the lot. M.   Mgallard.....Have you read our posts before replying?   <snip>   Prog is my favorite genre, I don't hide it and I'm not embarrassed of it, by the contrary, but my taste is not limited to Prog either.   Before you give arrogant opinions about us being snob without even having enough comprehension to understand what we wrote, read again make a concentration effort (It may hurt if not used to), think it and only then reply.   I believe everything Genesis did after Hackett left is bad, not because it's POP because ATTW3 and Duke were Prog albums, I believe it's bad because they lost all the imagination and released a sub-standardt product.    Iván Typical bold and large fonts, meant to impress or scare... use the normal font, and bold to emphasize, no need for 25 or 35 pixel fonts... . I find it quite unimpressive and short-sighted to use broad strokes to encompass ALL the music made after Hackett left, but that's your prerogative, if you want to show how "insulted" you are by the output of Genesis post-Hackett, you can do so, maybe some fall for your act. I don't, because there is a lot of good music post Hackett, and that's MY opinion, of course, I listen to Duke as much as I do to Lamb Lies (which is my favorite in the end), I listen to Abacab more often than I do to Trespass, and so on. That I don't like an album all that much is not reason for me to insult the band I love, Invisible Touch isn't so great, neither is We Can't Dance, but Calling all stations is actually a step upwards in quality and it was a shame Genesis used popularity (sales, concert tickets) as a measurement of their success and then called it quits. You try to flaunt your wide tastes (they aren't) to show how open minded you are, but then you say you like NOTHING(!) they did after Hackett left, this just serves to show how closed you mind actually is... no, you don't impress me. I like music and I respect bands that evolve, even if they don't evolve in a direction I like or evolve away from a style I liked. Would I have enjoyed Genesis more if they'd continued making prog a la Lamb Lies Down all the way till 2007... maybe, but by now I think THEY would have been bored to death. I prefer the course that history actually took, the 3 man Genesis making good albums with some prog and some not-prog, Peter making good albums in his style, Collins making good albums in his style, Mike and The Mechanics making very good pop albums, Tony making a few good albums (I'm surprised he didn't fare better), Anthony Phillips and Steve making very good albums in a number of styles, where Hackett has been the most adventurous and of the highest quality, actually the best artist of them all. The sum of the parts has been more than the whole. I respect them all for all the work they've done, even at their most pop, they have always been very recognizable and distinct from the rest of their contemporaries and certainly NOT bad pop or bad rock! Mogens

mgallard, you really don't know when to quit do you. Ivan and I already simmed up that we don't base our views on whther or not it's prog. Here's an excerpt from my post from page two:

^ It's just from the vibration

love the sig Rich

I think they got tired and went to bed.

Anyway, will not get into details with Ibán, he can live his life as he wants it, he can insult (now I bark and can't read... he knows me so well...) and attack, but for the most it is all uncalled for and certainly he's good at overreacting (won't fall down to your level). Anyway, maybe you, Ibán, are not a progsnob, just maybe a bit shortsighted and I forgive you, .

I prefer to live in a world with a very open mind, my general rule is, if I can listen to it 5 times without getting bored, then it's good enough to give a try, that's how I found Nusrat, Blof, You Am I, Pain Of Salvation and so on, but even with an open mind I don't get Hip hop and things related, though I like Beastie Boys.

I am a Genesis fan, yes, but I know what I like most and I know the records I don't choose when given a choice. The best of Genesis was until Abacab and then I jump to Calling All Stations, which as we know is not liked by most, I think many only have an opinion based on the one song they heard on the radio (which I jump when listening to the album), plus I think others listen to an album expecting to hear something very similar to what they heard last time, if so Hackett or Zappa or Prince are not enjoyed by them.

Anyway, there are a lot of progsnobs (not you Stylazyn, nor you Ibán ;-)) out there and you know who you are. If anyone dares to make a more melodic song and even worse a hit single, and dare to include it among some real "prog" songs, they are selling out, the song is crap, they stop listening to the albums, and so on. So this thread has basis in the real world, the overreacting members that appear on the thread are also proof of that.

I think many judge the great bands of Rock and Prog, based on their own shortsighted view of the world and music, and think they have a right to call X music they made "crap" or awful or whatever, when it's all just a personal opinion. Music isn't just music, it's a series of more basic reactions, certain music for me (as with most people that listen to music, not "think" or "analyse" music: listen) can elicit a series of images, feelings, smells and so on, based on where and when I heard the music most, can that be understood or grasped by someone else, a rotund no! So music is for the most a personal experience and what is obviously "crap" to everyone else, isn't so for another.

So anyway, Duke, And then there were three, Abacab, which for many aren't good, for me are very worthy and enjoyable additions to the Genesis catalog and I enjoy them as much as I do the previous albums. Ah! Just a recommendation, do take the time to listen to the 5.1 versions of these albums, they are mind blowing (not for the snogs* though)!

Greetings

M.

*prog snobs

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