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threefates
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Posted: August 29 2004 at 18:46 |
I was actually considering cropping in a picture of Roger Waters flying over it... now that would be coffee table book worthy??
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Ivan_Melgar_M
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Posted: August 30 2004 at 00:42 |
Well being my favorite band Genesis, I have the sad duty to admit is very hard to choose the worst album, the 80's and 90's have a lot stuff to choose from, but I'll go with the self titled Genesis .aka. Shapes, I hate Mama and Invisible Touch has at least one good track with The Brazilian.
Some others:
Focus...."Focus Con Proby": PJ Proby and Focus members are great musicians, but this album sounded inferior to everything they did.
Kansas...."Vynil Confessions": Not only the absence of Walsh, but the trying to change Kansas into a religious band was a mistake, I'm a religious man, but there's a place for everything.
STYX...."Kilroy Was Here": STYX always played in the limit, but this album was an aberration ![](smileys/smiley11.gif)
Triumvirat....."A La Carte": The Rat turns POP (Some POP is good, this one sucks).
Hackett and Howe...."GTR": Not a favorite band for me, but surely my favorite prog' guitar players, this thing stinks.
Yes.....Big Generator: 90125 was bad (Not terrible) but this one is even worst, maybe Onion is even worst but having Wakeman and Bruford together with Yes deserves some attention.
ELP....."Re-Works": Dance and Prog together? This album makes Love Beach sound as a masterpiece.
ELO...."Discovery": The name says it all Discovery = Very Disco.
Iván
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James Lee
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Posted: August 30 2004 at 01:54 |
emdiar wrote:
James Lee wrote:
I'm not a big fan of anything Floyd did after "Wish you were Here" but then again I can't totally call them bad albums. I think there was mostly junk on "Obscure by Clouds", though, and I can't let them off on the soundtrack loophole because "More" was mostly a pretty decent album. |
Don't you like "Animals" then? My fave, though this may be for personal nostalgia reasons. Definitely my fave floyd sleeve. Battersea power station , talk about "Dark satanic mills"! (this may be an English thing!)
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yeah, I had time displacement syndrome...I meant everything from "The Wall" to present. "Animals" is at the peak for me too...I think that was the only one besids DSOTM I gave a fiver to ![](smileys/smiley1.gif)
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Petra
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Posted: August 30 2004 at 09:49 |
I was SO disappointed with Rush's Vapor Trails' but i'm not sure its their worst album Caress of Steel is probably close.
Sometimes though you just grow out of a band, maybe this has been the case for me and Rush.
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Vegetableman
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Posted: August 30 2004 at 11:48 |
Pink Floyd - Tonite! Lets All Make Love in London
Jethro Tull - Its down to Rock Island or Catfish Rising
King Crimson - Islands
Rush - Presto
Yes - 90125
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"Mister Fripp, your music is quite different than everything else out there. In one word, how would you describe it?"
"Progressive.... yeah, that's it..."
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Reed Lover
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Posted: August 30 2004 at 15:11 |
There are some very interesting replies, inviting the proverb"one man's meat is another man's poison."
Of the one's we all seem to agree on, the question has to be: how does it happen?
Our heroes go through the process of composition, recording and mastering, lovingly crafting their art and then release a turkey. If the album is an early release or the last release ever before a rift because of "musical differences" then one can probably understand eg "Caress Of Steel" or "The Final Cut" are probably good examples of this (though judged with the benefit of hindsight.) Presto (by Rush) is probably a good example of a mid-career hiccup, Tormato and Animals too in my opinion. It is too easy to believe that groups as professional as Rush,Pink Floyd and Yes had become sloppy (although you always had the personal tensions in Yes and Floyd.)
Then you realise that it could be our fault. I buy most albums without prior audition so the sales will be racked up regardless of artistic merit. Whilst art is not like a meal you can send back in a restaurant if you dont like it, most of us never bother to write to the bands to express our opinions (and I doubt whether Neil Peart or Jon Anderson read this humble forum!) Rush claims to have a special relationship with its audience, but when you analyse this you realise that we stick by them through (mostly) thick and (occasionally) thin, and that we dont actually connect with any personal feedback.
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Bryan
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Posted: August 30 2004 at 19:58 |
Some of these aren't prog, but here they are anyway...
Pink Floyd - The Final Cut. If they were continuing in this direction had Waters stayed, I'm glad he left.
David Bowie - Never Let Me Down. He's had an inconsistent career, but this is just inexcusable.
Black Sabbath - Never Say Die. The sound of a band that has completely lost inspiraton.
King Crimson - The ConstruKction of Light. We all knew losing Bill Bruford and Tony Levin would hurt them, but this badly?
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James Lee
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Posted: August 30 2004 at 23:09 |
I was really disappointed with Mezquita's "Califas del Rock", but I guess that doesn't count, as they only had one other album.
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gdub411
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Posted: August 30 2004 at 23:25 |
Pink Floyd used to be my favorite but after hearing them so often on the radio I must say I have soured on them as of late. Ho-hum!!. But being well versed in Pink Floyd I must disagree with Obscured by Clouds. I consider that as one of their unknown gems as well as Uma Gumma. The Live album is great and the studio stuff is fairly good as well. My stinker would be Atom Heart Mother. The title track is okay(I feel Echoes was far superior) AND THE REST IS HORRIBLE!!! If had potential but they failed to make it interesting with long and dull musical interludes between the words. Summer 68 is nice but nothing extraordinary. Fat Old Sun is a huge snoozer and Alan's Psychedelic Breakfast is the worst peice of music Floyd has ever made(if music is what ya want to call it!). This album is WAY over rated. I will finish this with a suggestion....If you can find Crumbling Land, Heart Beat Pig Meat, Point Me at the Sky, Let There Be More Light(single version) and Julia Dream(single version)....you won't be dissapointed. These are all some of my favorite rarities
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Paco Fox
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Posted: August 31 2004 at 04:30 |
Blacksword wrote:
Raindances - Camel (Boring, dreary and a massive dissapointment after Moonmadness)
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Well, it at least has 'A song within a song', 'Rain Dances' and 'First Light', wich are good in my opinion. It is certenlly worst (and Latimer own less appreciate work) 'The Single Factor', with just a couple of decent tracks.
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Blacksword
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Posted: August 31 2004 at 05:38 |
Petra wrote:
I was SO disappointed with Rush's Vapor Trails' but i'm not sure its their worst album Caress of Steel is probably close.
Sometimes though you just grow out of a band, maybe this has been the case for me and Rush.
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As a life long fan of Rush, I would agree about Vapour Trails. Its unimaginative, and badly produced. A step backwards for the band.
I would dissagree about 'Caress of steel' though. I love 'The fountain of Lamneth' and 'The necromancer' If it's been sometime since you heard these, give them another go. You may be pleasantly surprised.
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Jim Garten
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Posted: August 31 2004 at 08:07 |
Vegetableman wrote:
Jethro Tull - Its down to Rock Island or Catfish Rising |
Have to disagree, there - Tull's real nadir was definitely 'Under Wraps'; Peter Vetesse deserves to be shot for the damage he did to Tull in that period (my own humble opinion, of course)
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Reed Lover
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Posted: August 31 2004 at 19:28 |
As a life long fan of Rush, I would agree about Vapour Trails. Its unimaginative, and badly produced. A step backwards for the band.
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Not badly produced....badly mastered. yet again it is a matter of taste. I would rate Vapor Trails in my Rush top 5! The best since Signals.
Worst (Peart) Rush albums:
1.Presto
2.Caress
3.Hold Your Fire
However I have definately read a review on this forum where someone says "Fire" is their favourite!
Dont miss this months edition of Classic Rock. A load of new Rush interviews, including Peart and a free prog CD on the cover!
Nice!
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Paco Fox
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Posted: September 01 2004 at 04:53 |
Jim Garten wrote:
Have to disagree, there - Tull's real nadir was definitely 'Under Wraps'; Peter Vetesse deserves to be shot for the damage he did to Tull in that period (my own humble opinion, of course) |
Just a bit more info on the subject: In the 'Walk into Light' CD notes, Anderson states that he was at the time very interested in synth music, citing people like Thomas Dolby as an influece (by the way, Dolby is the 80s synth musician that I think could appeal more to proggers). That means he embraced gladly Vetesse influence in the sound of Tull. Ironically, this solo album pre-under wraps has more co-written tracks than any Tull album, making it a Anderson-Vetesse combo effort. Then came under-wraps, and the (almost total) disaster.
I agree that Rock Island and Catfish Rising are not great records, but they still have some good tracks. And Kissing Willie.... ![](smileys/smiley4.gif)
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pepucho
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Posted: September 01 2004 at 11:50 |
Marillion: Anoraknophobia & Marbles for the way they sold it like a marketing company, not artist.
I buy mine in a shop, and surprise!!!!!! I got a carton piece instead a disc, and now I have a half disc![](smileys/smiley7.gif)
Sorry about my Englihs
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arcer
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Posted: September 01 2004 at 13:16 |
Been listening to Rush back catalogue as the European tour hoves into view and have to say Hemispheres is one dreadful record
well half a dreadful record - The Trees and Villa are cool but side one? puh-lease!
What were they thinking. I believe from reading interviews that this was the most difficult aldbum they ever made, with a lot of tension involved between the three and it sure shows on side one - it's half-baked, ill-conceived, about 18 minutes too long and utterly directionless.
Rush, tho' i genuinely love them (and have done since first hearing them on the release of Permanent Waves) have, in between the gems, released some real stinkers over the years. How about 'Grace Under Pressure', which contains just the one good tune in 'Kid Gloves' or even 'Caress of Steel' which features the plaing awful 'Fountains of Lamneth', a desperate attempt by three sophomores to stretch an idea so that it would meet their desire for a one-song side. Ohh boy, it's rank.
Just as well they made up for them with 2112, Permanent Waves and Moving Pictures (all almost perfect records)
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Bryan
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Posted: September 01 2004 at 13:35 |
I just had to ask, am I the only one who really likes Caress of Steel? See my review...
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James Lee
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Posted: September 01 2004 at 20:09 |
I wouldn't say I completely love Caress (it's no Hemispheres), but it was my intro to the band and I think it stands up pretty well...anyway, at the time it was their best album yet ![](smileys/smiley36.gif)
I don't think Rush really has a 'worst' album (except maybe that first one that was somewhat less than 2/3rds Rush)...even the cringe-inducing moments on the later stuff is often redeemed by moments of excellence (sometimes, as in "Roll the Bones", in the very same song!).
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