What happened to TOP 100???

heyitsthatguy wrote: sorry, but after seeing that the top RIO/Avant album is an album with ONLY ONE RATING, I can't help but think PA reaaaaaally f**ked up with this one

heyitsthatguy wrote: sorry, but after seeing that the top RIO/Avant album is an album with ONLY ONE RATING, I can't help but think PA reaaaaaally f**ked up with this one

Yes, it's hard to believe some ratings...On this chart (Top RIO albums from 1993), I'm the only only person who reviewed album no. 14 (Yoshide) and I gave it 1 star. How it could be above some albums reviewed more than once, with 2 and 3 stars?

Nos. 3, 4 and 5 are albums not rated at all

Hercules wrote: My advice would be to adopt the ice skating method of removing (say) the highest 5 and lowest 5 reviews for each album and averaging the rest. This will cut the incentive for the fanboys and spoilers to try to give extreme ratings to manipulate the chart. But I still thinks it's pants and needs scrapping.

^Wow he really did that, what a pathetic action. It's really sad that people can rate albums without supporting their views with arguments, otherwise people like Tichy could be dealt with in the review abuse thread.

Edited by Dirk - July 11 2007 at 21:09

Indeed, another band that i had never  heard of, just listened to the samples and they sound truly  great , i'll see if i can find some music of them. 

For me the new top 100 is really more interesting than the old one, i've some sympathy though for others who claim that popularity should be included. It seems indeed a bit odd to me that Images and words and Scenes from DT have vanished from top 100 and that the only ELP album is on position 98.

I don't think there's an objective  right and wrong  here, it's just a question of diversity versus popularity. I have to admit that much as i like the Bacamarte album for instance i don't think it's more important than ELP or the best albums from DT and that's the impression that's given now.

I for one am very opposed to this move. The first reason is the reason of continuity. There is no way you can compare the lists as they are now with the lists as they were for example 3 months ago or 1 year ago. So any threads comparing chart positions now with e.g. a year ago (there is one running right now, the one about "mathematically determined greatest prog bands" or something in that vein) are rendered useless.

You go, Rattlehead!

chopper wrote: I still believe that proto-prog and prog-related acts should not be included.

Am I the only one to find a strange coincidence between Easy Livin's laid-back attitude towards the new algorithm, his avatar and the current no. 1 in TOP100?

Seriously though, if the new TOP100 has a redeeming quality, that must be its fun. With the constant change in positions and mind-numbing rises and falls, its bound to be at least entertaining if not accurate. This doesn't mean I like it or that it makes sense to me, but rather that I'm taking the deicision to change the algorithm a permanent one, regardless of what we say, and I'm trying to get used to it.

The T wrote: nuncjusz wrote: I don't believe what I'm seeing. Images and Words are now #128, and Scenes from a Memory #178!!! Dear God... Amazingly, LIVE Scenes from New York are now at #12...     I would rather see NO DT in the top100 than a live album... live album with not so many ratings.... Well, this isn't about DT anyway... this is about albums with few reviews taking the top spots... this is about the top-100 being not what it used to be (not that it was perfect anyway) but I still think that, as quality is not easy to measure in an objective way, we can at least go for quality+popularity, which is more real.   I'm sorry, maybe I'm not being that objective... But now this top-100 looks so fake, so... distant, so only-for-obscure-prog-collectors....   I guess it will work fine in the end.. just please, at least take the LIVE and EP and DVD's OUT of the list....

Popularity is a dangerous  thing as a yardstick, consider this, in the non prog world Britney Spears is more popular than Tori Amos, who makes the better music. I think i know the answer but it's subjective.

Now compare Bacamarte with for instance DT, again i think i know the answer, again it's subjective.

About Bacamarte being obscure, i don't think so. When i was at a meeting with sympho prog lovers this album was discussed and almost everybody knew it. Even more a band like PFM, every sympho lover will know them. I've never heard myself though of Phoenix and S.B.B which fall outside the Sympho genre, something new and interesting well loved by at least some people here,i checked out Phoenix, they're very good.

Stil no Scenes and Images and word in top 100 is a bit odd, so i do agree with you to a point that popularity must have some say, but not as much as in the past. Looking at top 100 now i'd have missed DT (i didn't know them before i came here, still looking at the forums only once, this would have been corrected ).