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    Posted: August 28 2004 at 05:52
After a big commercial success or for personal musical interests, members of notorious bands leave to start a new musical career...among them which ones (according to you) got involved into the best musical projects?

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 28 2004 at 07:31
According to my opinion it's definitely Peter Hammill and his solo works. I really like VdGG and the next logical step was to try Hammill's solo stuff and I have to say that I really like it...
 
I also liked Jordan Rudess' and Tomas Bodin's solo works.
 
Something I don't really like are the solo projects of the "Big ones"...I really can't get into Rick Wakeman's stuff for example.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 28 2004 at 10:46

Peter Gabriel, of course. He's probably the best example (along with Sting) of someone making a solo career as successful and distinctive as the work he did in the band.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 28 2004 at 12:01

I was generally disappointed with Gabriel's solo work, he rather turned his back on his prog roots.

I reckon both Fish and Marillion benefitted musically from their parting, although commercially Fish has struggled. "Clutching at straws" indicated they had gone as far as they could together.

E, L & P all made good career moves by leaving their previous bands to form ELP.

Rick Wakeman's departure from the Strawbs for Yes was a good move for him, and many of his solo projects have of course also been superb.

 

 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 28 2004 at 15:13

This is a difficult one Jon Anderson's Olias was great Peter gabriel's first three were fine fine albums and Fish's Visual,Raingods and Fields were great especially Raingods but for me it has to be the Hamiill man. The magnificently talented Peter Hammill i love the Silent Corner best but hold Fireships The Roaring Forties and Clutch  very close to my heart haven't really heard Incoherence yet

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 28 2004 at 16:31

Easy Livin wrote:

Quote I was generally disappointed with Gabriel's solo work, he rather turned his back on his prog roots.

Don't totally agree with you Easy Livin, of course none of his works can be compared with what he did in Genesis, but I don't believe all his work is too far from prog either.

The only Genesis members that did an equal (maybe better) job in a solo project are Steve Hackett and Anthony Phuillips.

Steve because almost all his albums are outstanding and because he became even more prog' oriented (if that is posible) when he left the band. Anthony because Geese and the Ghost is very good and he didn't work too much with Genesis.

Other solo project not mentioned previously would be:

Jean Luc Ponty.....Aurora: By that point he was a former Mother's of Invention and Mahavishnu Orchestra member. IMHO this album features the peak of his career.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 28 2004 at 16:52

Perhaps "turned his back" was a bit too harsh Ivan.Embarrassed I enjoyed Gabriel's odd numbered albums (1,3, so) much more than the even numbered ones.

Gabreil's first album understandably had the most in the way of Genesis trademarks, but I wasn't too keen on his world music outings.

I'm struggling though to think of examples of his solo work which were very prog. I always felt that his solo compositions were generally more akin to "songs", with simple structures, and little instrumental elaboration. Any particular tracks you would cite as good examples? I'll give you "Here comes the flood"!Big smile (I guess if you were to compare Gabriel's solo work with Collins' though...)

I agree about Hackett and Phillips, altough I reckon Hackett was a bit too prolific at times. His great diversity of material does him credit, but there must be few who enjoy everything he's done.

Tony Bank's solo work is to my mind under-rated. Admittedly, he's had the odd bummer ("The fugitive"), but "A curious feeling" and "Still" for example were very good.

 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 28 2004 at 16:58

Quote . Any particular tracks you would cite as good examples?

My favorites are:

  1. Red Rain: In the vein of Genesis
  2. Biko: Great vocal work
  3. Solsbury Hills: Simple but well elaborated, powerful lyrics.
  4. Secret World: Instrumental section is very complex
  5. Here Comes the Flood: Great track.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 28 2004 at 17:05

I also love Peter Gabriels solo stuff.  I don't rate what I like on how prog it is, just on whether or not it gets my attention.. and I like to hear it in my head...

My favorite Gabriel:

  • Solsbury Hill
  • Red Rain
  • Mercy Street
  • Don't Give Up
  • Games Without Frontiers

 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 28 2004 at 17:22
Good songs certianly Ivan, interestingly all from his odd numbered albums except "Secret world" (which I confess I have not heard).
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 28 2004 at 17:31

Good thread, Philippe !

Maire Brennan from Clannad lead an interesting solo career, blending new-age, celtic folk and african traditional music (at least on her first solo album).

Sandy Denny released some gorgeous albums after she left Fairport Convention.

Marcus Viana from Sagrado Coraçao da Terra was interested in New Age and released some great albums, among which 'Pentanal suite sinfonica' and 'Maktub'.

Billy Cobham proved he was able to write good compositions in his own solo career.

Steve Morse is an incredibly talented songwriter and everything he released after the Dixie Dregs disbanded is good.

David Sancious (Bruce Springsteen) released some fabulous records (which should have a place in the progarchives database, Max !) in the second half of the seventies. 'True stories' is a mix of Yes-like prog-rock and soul music.

Didier Malherbe (Gong) released an intersting album in the early nineties 'Fluvius' with african and indian traditional instruments, and followed in the same way with the hadouk (contraction of two words applying to instruments : hajouj and doudouk) trio.

Ron Jarzombek (Watchtower) perfectioned his technical abilities and added a jazz influence to the trio he formed in the mid-nineties, Spastic Ink, whose album 'Ink complete' is highly recommended to all fusion afficionados.

James Labrie (Dream Theater) collaborated with Trent Gardner of Magellan to produce a project named Mullmuzzler, whose first album features some of his best vocal performance and is pretty good.

Ian Anderson (Jethro Tull) released one good album 'Divinities : twelve dances with God', on which he only plays the flute and is accompanied by an orchestra and some percussions performed by Duane Perry.

 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 28 2004 at 17:34
How could I forget him : Dave Greenslade released two fabulous albums, the image in my sig and 'Cactus choir'.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 29 2004 at 09:20
Originally posted by threefates threefates wrote:

I also love Peter Gabriels solo stuff.  I don't rate what I like on how prog it is, just on whether or not it gets my attention.. and I like to hear it in my head...

My favorite Gabriel:

  • Solsbury Hill
  • Red Rain
  • Mercy Street
  • Don't Give Up
  • Games Without Frontiers

 

Quite right Three Fates (3 f8's).

As someone who enjoys among other things a good John Denver album (did I just admit that?Embarrassed), I agree that there's a whole world of music beyond prog.

I think with Gabriel it's just disappointing that someone who was a key participant in some of the best prog albums ever made, has not had the desire to create or even re-create that type of music to any great extent since.

Any critisism I have of his solo stuff relates to what he has done though, not what he has not.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 29 2004 at 10:03

I think Klaus Schulze made some good sounds after leaving Tangerine Dream. He certainly seems to have developed a reputation and loyal following over the years. I'm no expert in his music, but did enjoy the albums he released in 1974 and 1975.

 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 29 2004 at 10:04

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 30 2004 at 23:44

 Peter Hammill....Nadir's Big Chance( punk/prog...oxymoron I know.....but true.....ironic that punks roots may have came from prog. Album predated punk by about 2 years. One of Johnny Rotten' s favorites according to an interview.

 

I love to rub it into hardcore punkers that their music was inspired by Hammill....whether it is true or not......heh,heh!

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 30 2004 at 23:57
  • Fish (one of my favorite lyricists)
  • Roger Waters (surprisingly not around)
  • Sting
  • Peter Hammill
  • EROC

 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 31 2004 at 09:12
Peter Hammill - Fools Mate/Nadir/Silent Corner.../
                In Camera/Chameleon.../Over/Fireships/
                Clutch

Chris Squire - Fish out of Water

Robert Fripp - Exposure

Steve Hackett - Voyage.../Please Don't Touch

Manual Gottsching - E2-E4

Robert Calvert - Capt. Lockheed

Edgar Froese - Aqua

Mike Rutherford - Smallcreeps Day

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