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    Posted: June 07 2007 at 02:57
Okay, awesome. I've been playing guitar for almost 5 years. I play progressive/experimental metal in a band which we currently are disputing the name of.

Now, as far as gear, the drummer (of course) plays with a double kick-pedal, the bassist usually tunes down some, and my second guitarist plays an Ibanez with EMG pickups...they're basically prog-metal-cliche`d out.

I, however, play a Schecter Omen 6 (black, what other colors are there?) and use a Behringer amp. I'd like to continue to use Behringer, but the guitar brand has to change. Its a sweet play and everything, but it doesn't look/sound the way I want it to, she doesn't really fit the band.

I was thinking maybe an ESP LTD. What do you musicians think?
Oh, P to the S, while we're here, what kind of bands do you guys play in, and what gear do you use?

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 07 2007 at 04:18
I'm thinking about getting a Fender VG Strat ... it has this amazing variability. Especially the ability to switch to different tunings (standard, drop d, open G, baritone) is really, really nice ... not to mention the tone options ranging from classic Fender strat through humbucker strat to 12 string.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 07 2007 at 09:38
I play what I build. I haven't owned a factory guitar in 15 years.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 07 2007 at 10:09
^ impressive.Clap
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 07 2007 at 10:29
Thanks Mike.   It's just a small portion of my output over the years but I rarely have time to work on the site lately. I've been working more on the composition side of things for the past couple of years.

The Red & Natural "stratty" looking axe in the top row and the purplish one (second from left) in the second row are both now owned and played by Roye Albrighton of Nektar.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 07 2007 at 10:41
^ the Reverseburst is pretty - is that a semi-acoustic or is the f hole an inlay?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 07 2007 at 10:57
Thanks darq. I always liked that one. If you look closely everything is reversed on that gtr. In addition to the reverse-burst finish, the bridge pickup is slanted backwards (built for a lefty Tele) and the neck is also a lefty so the headstock is upside down.

The f-hole is real. The body has some "tone chambers" routed into it under the maple top to warm up the brittle Tele tone.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 07 2007 at 13:27
You've got a lot of talent, I tried building a guitar a few years ago, and it was a bit of a disaster, but I learnt a lot from it so it wasn't a total wasto of time.

To the OP is you want a modern metal tone (active pickups) but want a guitar that looks a little different, I'd recommend a  Steinberger,  even the basic passive models sound decent and they are always eye catching.

If I were you I'd get a different amp as in my experiecne behringer euipment breaks down a lot since it's so cheap, but if you get a tone you like from it keep it.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 07 2007 at 13:36
As far as amps are concerned ... I really like my Vox Tonelab SE. It's a floor board with a built in amp simulation which uses a real tube and sounds really nice, and in a live situation you don't need microphones.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 07 2007 at 16:03
Trademark, what re"mark"able work you've done. I really like the idea of constructing your own guitars, as opposed to purchasing them pre-made.  How does one go about doing so? Is it expensive? What can you tell me about this process?

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 08 2007 at 11:29
Oh dear. This is going to sound really cheesy but here goes:

The best place to find information about building your own guitar is in the book I wrote called "Electric Guitar Construction". You can get it at any online bookseller or at most any guitar parts supply site like Stewart-MacDonald or JK Lutherie. A quick Google search will turn up dozens of places to buy it.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 08 2007 at 16:42
I tune down to A, and that really tests the quality of musical equipment.


you would not imagine the amount of marshalls and vox's I've made fart out at less than half volume.

And bass wise, my god, anything that is made past the 80s(Im talking cheap stuff here) is pretty useless.

for guitar I would go with an ibanez, or a the one you mentioned, there very good guitars for the money.

but I'm sorry, behringer in my experience is nothing but crap, I'm sure you like what you have but please try something else, I have an old solid state that I play and you wouldnt expect it to sound good but it does.

oh yeah, and try your best to buy used things, from people who know what they are(NOT GUITAR CENTER!) its your best bet. All the new stuff out now is built koreans with no quality control(Atleast in your price range) or just overratted(Gibson, american made fender).

So get out there and start looking!


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 09 2007 at 02:58
^ or simply buy the Vox Tonelab SE.Tongue
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 09 2007 at 18:58
Yesterday me and a friend of mine ran around in town visiting music stores. We discovered that Orange amps are really, really, really, really great sounding. Quite expensive though, and not very Metal perhaps. But they stick out (they're orange) and again, they sound so good. The Ibanez Thermion amp we tested was pretty good aswell, and more Metal-ish.

Anyway, since I'm a bass player guitar amps isn't my speciality, definitely not good metal amps (I'm not much of a metalhead). But I can talk to guitarrist friends and see what they say.



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 09 2007 at 21:58
Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

^ or simply buy the Vox Tonelab SE.Tongue

Or if you're looking for a pretty good tube amp , see if yo can find a Vox VR30 reverb. TUbe pre-amp through a clean solid state. THink a budget  Vox AC30, but one that gives one a lot of bang for your buck, especially if you hook it up to a 2 X 12 or 4 X 12 cabinet. They stopped making them in 2005, but check the second hand shops. I got mine for $120CAD. I expect to be able to get a 2 X 12 speaker cabinet for $200 - 300 within the next year. I will then have an amp set-up that beats any tube amp combo in that price range.
Oh, as for amp emulators, try the POD pedals. As in any comparison though, remember that the quality of your sound is most affected by the amp - therefore sh*tty amp, sh*tty sound.
And whenever you can, see if you can take home the amp to try it out. If not, take your time in the store & play it as close to your usual or intended volume as you can. Don't just twiddle for a few minutes, play for half an hour or more. Indeed, as you're looking, it's not a bad idea to try out as many amps as you can. That way you can start building up some reference points that will help you decide what you really want. And who knows, sometimes you stumble upon that perfectly priced treasure that you weren't thinking of (like me & Vox)
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 09 2007 at 22:21

I am playing through a 1980 Marshall JCM 800 with a '71 Gibson SG and Les Paul Gold Top w/ the mini humbuckers.  Gadgets include an old vox wah and the old puke green ibanez overdirve and for effects a digitech gnx3 when messing around. 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 09 2007 at 22:22
Originally posted by Trademark Trademark wrote:

Oh dear. This is going to sound really cheesy but here goes:

The best place to find information about building your own guitar is in the book I wrote called "Electric Guitar Construction". You can get it at any online bookseller or at most any guitar parts supply site like Stewart-MacDonald or JK Lutherie. A quick Google search will turn up dozens of places to buy it.
 
Very cool I will check it out!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 10 2007 at 04:15
[QUOTE=Trademark]I play what I build. I haven't owned a factory guitar in 15 years.

http://www.tryanhirst.citymax.com/page/page/3233247.htm[/QUOTE]
 
some very interesting designs there Thomas! Thumbs%20Up 
 
but aren't you using factory hardware?Wink
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 10 2007 at 04:23
All that I have left nowadays is My Fender Switcher amp.

Guitars- Musicman Stingray I ,Epiphone Wildcat (natural),
Epiphone AJ - CE125(?)

Pedals-MXR Compressor,Boss Analogue Delay,Boss Digital Delay,Jim Dunlop Wah-Wah,Clour-Tone Fuzzbox, Boss Chorus,Boss Flanger and a Boss Overdrive.

Do 'The Stanley' otherwise I'll thrash you with some rhubarb.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 10 2007 at 04:40
Originally posted by debrewguy debrewguy wrote:

Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

^ or simply buy the Vox Tonelab SE.Tongue

Or if you're looking for a pretty good tube amp , see if yo can find a Vox VR30 reverb. TUbe pre-amp through a clean solid state. THink a budget  Vox AC30, but one that gives one a lot of bang for your buck, especially if you hook it up to a 2 X 12 or 4 X 12 cabinet. They stopped making them in 2005, but check the second hand shops. I got mine for $120CAD. I expect to be able to get a 2 X 12 speaker cabinet for $200 - 300 within the next year. I will then have an amp set-up that beats any tube amp combo in that price range.
Oh, as for amp emulators, try the POD pedals. As in any comparison though, remember that the quality of your sound is most affected by the amp - therefore sh*tty amp, sh*tty sound.
And whenever you can, see if you can take home the amp to try it out. If not, take your time in the store & play it as close to your usual or intended volume as you can. Don't just twiddle for a few minutes, play for half an hour or more. Indeed, as you're looking, it's not a bad idea to try out as many amps as you can. That way you can start building up some reference points that will help you decide what you really want. And who knows, sometimes you stumble upon that perfectly priced treasure that you weren't thinking of (like me & Vox)


Do you know what the Tonelab SE is? It offers authentic Vox sounds and then some ... no need for Line6 POD. Think of it as POD XT with a tube built in, used for more authentic amp simulation ... Big%20smile
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