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Poll Question: Who should have replaced Dickinson instead of Blaze Bailey ?
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    Posted: May 30 2007 at 11:13
First, I had to post this poll here, since polls cannot be posted in the prog related lounge (and Iron Maiden is prog related).
 
Anyways, I never understood why IM settled on Blaze Bailey when there were many others who could have been much better, and some who were interested.
 
So who would you have liked to take Bruce's place instead of Blaze Bailey ?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 30 2007 at 11:30
Ronnie James Dio is one of my favourite singers, best in heavy metal. He would have done the best. he has power in his voice and emotion as well as an almost operatic feel. Fantastic.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 30 2007 at 11:41
none of the above
 
i think the great singer Mattew Barlow (ex Iced Earth) would've been a great fit
 
also Jorn Lande of Ark
 
& oh zackary stevens (ex Savatage)
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 30 2007 at 11:42
Originally posted by Ahmadbarqawi Ahmadbarqawi wrote:

none of the above
 
i think the great singer Mattew Barlow (ex Iced Earth) would've been a great fit
 
also Jorn Lande of Ark
 
& oh zackary stevens (ex Savatage)
 
 
Interesting choices indeed !
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 30 2007 at 13:12
I would have set the world afire by getting the beast back in - Paul D'ianno. During a time when metal didn't rule & the punk inspired grunge movement did, Paul's growl might have roughened their edges again. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 30 2007 at 13:24
Originally posted by Melomaniac Melomaniac wrote:

Anyways, I never understood why IM settled on Blaze Bailey when there were many others who could have been much better, and some who were interested.


I Think Maiden (Harris) recruited a singer with the idea of filling a hole, not  beginning a new Maiden era. Blaze Bayley was perfect for that for three things:
 
a) He was an almost unknown singer back then.
b) His style, range, tone and everything you can imagine about his voice is drastically different than Bruce's.
c) He's English.

Besides all this, I think Bayley (and the Bayley era in general)  was unfairly bashed . For example  The X Factor is a gem in Maiden's catalogue, a very different one for sure but it works because of the atmosphere it creates, its innovative and fresh sound (for the Maiden standards at the time), its solid compositions (especially compared with the two last albums recorded with Dickinson before he left) and mainly because the music matched Blaze's voice and as a result it didn't sound forced. Virtual XI fails in that point but still have some great songs.

Now to the poll Tongue, I think Doogie White (Malmsteen, Rainbow among others) would have been a great replacement. His voice is crystal clear, melodic, powerful and is not a Dickinson clone. He is not exactly English, but is Scotish, so almost (maybe not enough for Harris LOL). In fact I think he did auditions for joining Maiden at that time.




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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 30 2007 at 15:24
Originally posted by mistertorture mistertorture wrote:

Originally posted by Melomaniac Melomaniac wrote:

Anyways, I never understood why IM settled on Blaze Bailey when there were many others who could have been much better, and some who were interested.




Besides all this, I think Bayley (and the Bayley era in general)  was unfairly bashed . For example  The X Factor is a gem in Maiden's catalogue, a very different one for sure but it works because of the atmosphere it creates, its innovative and fresh sound (for the Maiden standards at the time), its solid compositions (especially compared with the two last albums recorded with Dickinson before he left) and mainly because the music matched Blaze's voice and as a result it didn't sound forced. Virtual XI fails in that point but still have some great songs.



 
Oh don't get me wrong, I think the Bayley albums are great musically, it's only that Bayley was too often either flat or sharp, and that makes me cringe, even moreso due to the fact I think the songs are great.  When I play either X Factor or Virtual XI, only because of Bayley, I sometimes have a hard time listening to them until the end, but I do because the music is so good (X Factor is the darkest of Maiden albums and the good songs on Virtual XI are really good).
 
He had good ideas for melodies but, in my opinion, didn't have the talent to execute them properly.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 30 2007 at 16:19
Well.... Eric Beaudin would have brought some fresh blood into the band, although he's more suited as a background vocalist... Wink

Seriously, if someone was to replace Bruce it should've been Paul Di'Anno, I have no idea who else has a voice that really fits in with Iron Maiden's sound....
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 30 2007 at 16:30
Nice to know that you appreciate those albums. In fact I pressume that the Bayley era is better appreciated now that it's in the past.
I think he just didn't fit with the music especially the back (huge) catalogue of the band.
Still he did a good job live with some of the old songs like Afraid To Shoot Strangers, Heaven Can Wait, The Evil That Men Do and was fairly good in Hallowed Be Thy Name. But of course those songs weren't written for his voice and there are other songs that I think he can not even sing.

At the end of the day I think this whole thing was positive:

1) Bruce did a pretty good and prolific solo career in a short amount of time.
2) Maiden had developed another sound since The X Factor, a sound  that is still present a lot  in their music (especially in Dance Of Death and A  Matter... , even if  most of the fans don't want to admit it).
3) I think Blaze was used and then thrown away. (I saw them live in the last show with Bayley here in Buenos Aires on the final date of the Virtual XI world tour). However, Blaze was benefited from all this thing, because, how many singers can say "oh yeah, I was the singer/frontman of IRON MAIDEN". And what is more important here, during his time with Maiden he improved his writing skills a lot learning from uncle Steve, and that is evident if you hear his latest albums, great heavy metal, melodic and powerful music in wich his voice is just what the music demands. (he also sings better than on the Maiden years).
4) And then again we have not only Dickinson back, but also Adrian Smith who was in Bruce's band. So the new line-up is the classic plus Janick Gers, plenty of capable song-writers. Bruce (and the band) sounded tired back in the Fear Of The Dark days, but they all sound refreshed now and with this "new" line-up they penned two masterpieces imo: Brave New World and A Matter Of Life And Death. Clap
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 30 2007 at 18:20
I also think that Bayley's albums are underrated. Virtual XI wasn't really a gem, but it contained a couple good songs, and overall was a pleasant experience to listen to. X Factor, on the other hand, is a gem. Many would disagree with me but for me that album may well me my favorite Iron Maiden album, right beside Powerslave and (yes, I love it) Fear of the Dark. I loved everything from the music to the concept, to the colors (that dark blue), that album is underappreciated. The two singles were OK (Man on the Edge but specially Lord of The Flies) and the best track, the 10 minute title track.
 
Of course, as a singer Dickinson sweeps the floor with Bayley...Or maybe not, maybe his voice couls be better in other music.
 
About other replacements, I think there's no good replacement. Even singers I like a lot like LaBrie or Wilson wouldn't fit in Maiden.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 30 2007 at 18:49
I would vote for Edu Falaschi of Angra. Just listen to the song "Ego Painted Grey" off the album Aurora Consurgens, he sounds exactly like Dickinson in his prime.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 30 2007 at 19:45
Of course, as a Bruce & Paul fan, I have to say that Maiden wasn't exactly putting out masterpieces during Blayze's time as singer. Whether Bruce's return gave them a kick in the *** or not, it is an interesting idea
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 31 2007 at 16:14

IMHO, Blaze Bayley WAS the wrong choice for the band. Paul Di'Anno had a similarly gruff voice (although one that had a lot more personality and individuality than Bayley's, imho) but he was the perfect singer for Maiden then. As he has admitted, Di'Anno wouldn't have fit on the material they were doing from 'Number Of The Beast' onwards. Bayley's vocals lack, ahem, 'The X Factor' that his two predecessors had, imho of course.

I never heard 'Virtual XI' but I had 'The X Factor'. To me, it was no improvement over 'No Prayer For The Dying' (the weakest Maiden album ever imho) and 'Fear Of The Dark'- it had a certain tiredness and the songs were lacklustre, imho. In other words, I'm not too sure if any other vocalist would have made the material any better, even though I wasn't fussed on Bayley. For me, there are still a lot of poor songs on the last few Dickinson albums too...

Steve Harris said that if Bruce Dickinson had stayed with the band during this period, commercially they would still have hit the skids, as metal was perhaps at its lowest ebb in the mid 90s, imho. Of course, Dickinson's return made them hugely popular again, coinciding with the general resurgence of metal. And some of the vocalists listed in this poll have very similar vocals to Dickinson in the first place, imho, which would have bought about accusations of Dickinson-cloning...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 31 2007 at 16:22
Russell Allen! 
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 31 2007 at 16:25
Originally posted by StyLaZyn StyLaZyn wrote:

Russell Allen! 
 
Woot Woot Woot!
 
I forgot him in the choices, what was I thinking ???
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 31 2007 at 16:32
Originally posted by Melomaniac Melomaniac wrote:

Originally posted by StyLaZyn StyLaZyn wrote:

Russell Allen! 
 
Woot Woot Woot!
 
I forgot him in the choices, what was I thinking ???
 
OK, just for that we are taking away your birthday.  Wink  LOL
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 31 2007 at 17:46
Originally posted by StyLaZyn StyLaZyn wrote:

Originally posted by Melomaniac Melomaniac wrote:

Originally posted by StyLaZyn StyLaZyn wrote:

Russell Allen! 
 
Woot Woot Woot!
 
I forgot him in the choices, what was I thinking ???
 
OK, just for that we are taking away your birthday.  Wink  LOL
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Seriously, I would have loved to hear what DIo could have pulled in IM.  That would have been 4 classic albums with 4 different bands for the man ;
Rainbow - Rising
Black Sabbath - Heaven and Hell
Dio - Holy Diver
and try to imagine Dio singing "The sign of the croooooooss"...  that would have been amazing !!!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 13 2007 at 13:56
I voted for "Other". IMO only Paul Di'Anno could replace Bruce and fit in well in the Maiden sound.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 13 2007 at 14:00
Yesterday I heard the X Factor after a few years without having touched it... My feeling were proven true: I LOVE that album, and the music is highly progressive and excellent. I would give it 5 stars with no doubt except for one little factor: the AWFUL voice of Bayley. He's not a good singer, and yes, he was a bad choice. I'd just love to see XFACTOR being recorded again with Dickinson... It would so totally rule the world.....
 
No replacement for Dickinson..
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 13 2007 at 14:16
Originally posted by The T The T wrote:

Yesterday I heard the X Factor after a few years without having touched it... My feeling were proven true: I LOVE that album, and the music is highly progressive and excellent. I would give it 5 stars with no doubt except for one little factor: the AWFUL voice of Bayley. He's not a good singer, and yes, he was a bad choice. I'd just love to see XFACTOR being recorded again with Dickinson... It would so totally rule the world.....
 
No replacement for Dickinson..
 
That would be awesome indeed.  Why not do the same with Virtual XI ?  It would be that much better too, even if only half the album is really good.
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