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    Posted: May 30 2007 at 18:44
There have probably been others who've said this but I believe it is a huge oversight not to have Steely Dan listed the Prog Archives. Their music has all the qualities of great prog: Incredible musicianship, intelligent thought-provoking lyrics, creative arrangements, odd time signatures, music which has broken boundaries and set a bench mark for that type of music.
Come on PA folk. Give the band the credit they deserve. They are truly a PROGRESSIVE band.
They should be signed up!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Lets hear some support from other lovers of the Dans great prog music.
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Points: 5109 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 30 2007 at 19:49
Yeah, it's been discussed, and the answer is a resounding no. Steely Dan is one my favorite groups. I honestly believe they never recorded a bad song. However, they are not prog.
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Points: 7910 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 30 2007 at 19:56
Yes, I agree with HT. I'm a HUGE Steely Dan fan and think they are absolutely brilliant. That being said, I don't think they're progressive at all.

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sophisto-rock is their official label, which is intelligent rock music, which doesn't necessitate that they are progressive at all.  They're good, definitely, but not really progressive, except maybe for a few songs (Aja maybe)
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Points: 3596 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 30 2007 at 20:25
Originally posted by bhikkhu bhikkhu wrote:

Yeah, it's been discussed, and the answer is a resounding no. Steely Dan is one my favorite groups. I honestly believe they never recorded a bad song. However, they are not prog.

They're WAAAAAAAAAYYYYYYY too cool to be prog Wink
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Points: 46838 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 30 2007 at 20:28
Steely Dan has some HUGE fans here, who'd put their talent, albums, lyrical ability ..everything against any prog group...  but no one is pushing to have them included here. 

again... repeat after me...

Great music... even great 'progressive' music...  simply isn't the same as 'mediore' prog music. Not for this site.  
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Points: 142 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 30 2007 at 20:34
Originally posted by E-Dub E-Dub wrote:

I'm a HUGE Steely Dan fan and think they are absolutely brilliant. That being said, I don't think they're progressive at all.
 
Another huge fan here, but I wouldn't call them progressive either.
 
My top 3 favorite recordings, in this order:
 
- The Royal Scam
- Two Against Nature
- Aja
 
Some of the best-sounding recordings I have ever heard, by the way.


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Originally posted by Progger58 Progger58 wrote:

Originally posted by E-Dub E-Dub wrote:

I'm a HUGE Steely Dan fan and think they are absolutely brilliant. That being said, I don't think they're progressive at all.




 

<FONT face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size=2>Another huge fan here, but I wouldn't call them progressive either.

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<FONT face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size=2>My top 3 favorite recordings, in this order:

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<FONT face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size=2>- The Royal Scam

<FONT face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size=2>- Two Against Nature

<FONT face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size=2>- Aja

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<FONT face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size=2>Some of the best-sounding recordings I have ever heard, by the way.


Progger, I just love the drums on "Kid Charlemagne". And that guitar solo on "Peg" (Denny Dias or Larry Carlton) simply smokes.

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Points: 7559 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 31 2007 at 03:43
I bought "Katy Lied" and felt bitten - the production is amazingly transparent - but the music is bland, bland, bland.
 
Did I mention it's bland?
 
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Points: 8238 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 31 2007 at 08:49
I'll chime in again that I adore their music.  Just saw them in concert last fall and they were spectacular.  However, they just aren't progressive rock.  They have their own category unto themselves.
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Points: 7374 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 31 2007 at 09:05
Steely Dan is great- one of my favorite bands. But they should no be added to PA.
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Oh well,
I tried. Do see your points. It would have been interesting if they had started as a prog band with more prog influences other than jazz & blues. I think they would have expanded on the suite like Aja type tunes, probably were capable of a few epics.
Anyway thanks for input, I guess I'll continue to class them in a League of Their Own.
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Points: 5109 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 04 2007 at 22:46
Hey, they are one of the best bands of all time. Don't feel bad.

And, I just scored a ticket to them tomorrow night!
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Points: 15585 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 05 2007 at 03:44
A quick search of this section is always worthwhile before proposing a band.
 
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I wanted a general opinion on Steely Dan and progarchives. What are the chances of Steely Dan being submitted as a Prog-related band? I will admit that I am a HUGE fan, so I am extremely biased. But I do feel that Steely Dan shares a lot of the same qualities that are characterstic of progressive rock. I don't mean to bore anyone, but here are some reasons why I thought that SD could possibly make it onto PA. First off, they have NEVER written a love song. The topics of their songs are... View%20Post
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Is it just me or could Steely Dan easily fit in the Fusion category of prog rock? I think they have all the credentials to be prog andwith Aja being a true masterpiece, why not add them? View%20Post
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Ok as for the jazz leanings of Steely Dan are they considered progressive rock? View%20Post
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Points: 20436 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 05 2007 at 05:46
I wouldn't mind seeing them in prog-related.
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Weeell, if the site includes Deep Purple, Led Zep and Queen, I don't think a band that's performed music like Your Gold Teeth, Aja and The Royal Scam would be entirely out of place here. They do weird timings, have odd lyrics, use unusual chords and professions, complex arrangements, enjoy a more sophisticated level of musicianship than many of the bands here, and generally run a different race to almost everyone else.

Personally, some time ago I wondered what folder to put my Steelies MP3 collection in - but the decision was between "Pop" and "Jazz-fusion" (I chose the latter, along with Mahavishnu Orchestra and Soft Machine, who are both featured here). At no stage did I consider putting them in my "Offbeat & Prog rock" section.

I never considered putting my Purple, Zep and Queen songs in "Offbeat & Prog rock" either, although those bands probably did do a few more off-the-air songs than the Steelies.

That folder is reserved for the Crims, ELP, Yes, Zappa, Beefheart, Gong, Genisis, Hillage, Focus, Hawkwind, Eno, Gabriel, Radiohead, Portishead, Talking Heads, Mars Volta, VDGG and all the other weird artists I enjoy.

While I love this site, in my view, there is a disproportionate emphasis on metal-type bands here, which I think works against the inclusion of the Steelies, who I consider more progressive than, say, Deep Purple or a number of other "proto prog" bands. This comes from a hopeless Crimson tragic and we all know how much noise they can make!
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Points: 216 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 20 2008 at 11:26
I'd have to give my support to Greta here. While I know that "band A is listed, then band B should be listed"-arguments are not generally accepted in this forum, they do carry some face validity. The accept of bands outside the prog box demands an objective definition of the frames within which bands are accepted. This definition lacks, or is at least completely non-consistent between different sub-genres, hence Greta's prog metal point.
 
Perhaps the archives should include a new category: Non-prog bands approved by PA members, including all proto-prog and prog related, and in which the number of endorsements decide their internal rank. After all, I think this is what people are curious about: What other people like the bands I like? How many people agree with me that band X rocks?
 
Well, a little off-topic perhaps. But subject to discuss?


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Absolutely no pun intended, Micky...
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Points: 46838 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 20 2008 at 12:16
ahhh.. no problem...  I think they should be here...  but that is for others to decide.. and has been discussed to death. See this exactly like Bowie.. the forum is probably split... and if added.. even those who disagreed would see the logic in it. 

who here is going to argue with Dick Heath.. who knows more than 95% of the people in the forum.. and speaks from experience.. not bullsh*t read in a book and magazine.
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