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debrewguy
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Topic: Which animal is it not acceptable to kill ? Posted: May 29 2007 at 21:14 |
Just watched the documentary "Phoque , le film " (loosely translated - Seals, the movie, although the french word for seal - phoque is an antonym for a celebrated english cuss word F) . Its' purpose is to expose the hypocrisy & misinformation of the "animalist" movements that annually swoop down on the ice floes off the Magdalen Islands to protest the seal hunt. The result being, that canadians are affixed with the label of baby murderers by foreigners who preach hign minded ideals, while hiding any fact that would contravene their own righteous view of what's right. Indeed, it is strange that slaughterhouses or abbatoirs in Europe or the U.S. are never picketed by these groups. Maybe it just that cows & pigs just aren't as cute as seals. Maybe it's because of the knowledge that most europeens & americans would NOT contribute to such a battle. Maybe it's because those industries would be a financial match for "animalists" groups in debating the subject of the food that reaches our plates. I reserve further arguments as the debate flows. I do not wish to call any one ignorant or willfully misinformed, but I am tired of the Powerful people lording it over poorer people just because of their ability to do so. And here we go .... So what animal is it not acceptable to kill, whether it be for its' fur, for food, or for survival. P.S. Those who are ideologically ham-strung by reality (from both sides) should refrain from posting as they may find facts hard to deal with.
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The Miracle
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Posted: May 29 2007 at 22:11 |
None... I'd eat you!
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stonebeard
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Posted: May 29 2007 at 22:15 |
If an animal is endangered, then it is unacceptable unless the survival of a certain culture of humans depend on it. Humans come before animals. Everything else, IMO, should be fair game. You made a good point. What's the difference between a seal and a cow? Cuteness. The hypocrisy of the animal right movement....
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Proletariat
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Posted: May 29 2007 at 22:18 |
stonebeard wrote:
If an animal is endangered, then it is unacceptable unless the survival of a certain culture of humans depend on it. Humans come before animals. Everything else, IMO, should be fair game.
You made a good point. What's the difference between a seal and a cow? Cuteness. The hypocrisy of the animal right movement.... |
Let me take that one step further: what is the differance between a man and a fly?
nothing.
we are just animals, and animals kill animals.
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Atavachron
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Posted: May 29 2007 at 22:19 |
This is indeed a tough one.. I love all animals, but I also I love to eat meat. Hypocritical? You bet.
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SolariS
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Posted: May 29 2007 at 22:21 |
Proletariat wrote:
stonebeard wrote:
If an animal is endangered, then it is unacceptable unless the survival of a certain culture of humans depend on it. Humans come before animals. Everything else, IMO, should be fair game.
You made a good point. What's the difference between a seal and a cow? Cuteness. The hypocrisy of the animal right movement.... |
Let me take that one step further: what is the differance between a man and a fly?
nothing.
we are just animals, and animals kill animals. |
Um, I'm different than a fly.
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Proletariat
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Posted: May 29 2007 at 22:23 |
SolariS wrote:
Proletariat wrote:
stonebeard wrote:
If an animal is endangered, then it is unacceptable unless the survival of a certain culture of humans depend on it. Humans come before animals. Everything else, IMO, should be fair game.
You made a good point. What's the difference between a seal and a cow? Cuteness. The hypocrisy of the animal right movement.... |
Let me take that one step further: what is the differance between a man and a fly?
nothing.
we are just animals, and animals kill animals. |
Um, I'm different than a fly.
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by good luck and a couple million years.
and you have the right to kill other species in order to stay at the top and not let the fly get above you.
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who hiccuped endlessly trying to giggle but wound up with a sob
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The Miracle
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Posted: May 29 2007 at 22:23 |
I'm not  bzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz...
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markosherrera
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Posted: May 29 2007 at 22:24 |
I think that is bad kill animals that are not dangerous,or kill animals for example like fight of cocks,or dogs or bullfighting (corridas de toros),the corridas or bullfighting is too cruel,because the bull suffer a lot... only in few countries is legal:Spain,France,Portugal,Mexico,Venezuela,Colombia,Peru...perhaps Ecuador.
THE COCK FIGHTING is cruel too,because the fight finish when one cock kill the other
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SolariS
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Posted: May 29 2007 at 22:24 |
Proletariat wrote:
SolariS wrote:
Proletariat wrote:
stonebeard wrote:
If an animal is endangered, then it is unacceptable unless the survival of a certain culture of humans depend on it. Humans come before animals. Everything else, IMO, should be fair game.
You made a good point. What's the difference between a seal and a cow? Cuteness. The hypocrisy of the animal right movement.... |
Let me take that one step further: what is the differance between a man and a fly?
nothing.
we are just animals, and animals kill animals. |
Um, I'm different than a fly.
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by good luck and a couple million years.
and you have the right to kill other species in order to stay at the top and not let the fly get above you. |
nah, I let the butchers do that.
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King of Loss
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Posted: May 29 2007 at 22:26 |
FAT AND GREASY WALRUSES, ULKULKULKULKULK!!!
ULKULKULKULK! 
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moreitsythanyou
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Posted: May 29 2007 at 22:28 |
I think it has to do with culture and availability. If a species is abundant and has been eaten for many years, then it becomes the food source. If there is not enough of an animal to sustain a high demand, it is endangered and should not be killed. Of course, there are always animals that are somewhat abundant that just aren't proper food sources because they are either too small or not very nutritious (squirrels, pidgeons, rats, dogs, cats, etc.) Basically, it's not okay to kill an animal for any reason when the species is dwindling down to exinction, despite tradition or culture, or if it's particullary cruel (cockfights, clubbing seals etc.).
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Proletariat
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Posted: May 29 2007 at 22:28 |
SolariS wrote:
Proletariat wrote:
SolariS wrote:
Proletariat wrote:
stonebeard wrote:
If an animal is endangered, then it is unacceptable unless the survival of a certain culture of humans depend on it. Humans come before animals. Everything else, IMO, should be fair game.
You made a good point. What's the difference between a seal and a cow? Cuteness. The hypocrisy of the animal right movement.... |
Let me take that one step further: what is the differance between a man and a fly?
nothing.
we are just animals, and animals kill animals. |
Um, I'm different than a fly.
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by good luck and a couple million years.
and you have the right to kill other species in order to stay at the top and not let the fly get above you. |
nah, I let the butchers do that.
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Dont you love that we have specialization.
any way Its probably not a butcher but millions of imigrants standing along a conveyor belt with knives, a meat grinder and a sterilization machine that does it.
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who hiccuped endlessly trying to giggle but wound up with a sob
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william314159
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Posted: May 29 2007 at 22:30 |
what about all the rotifers and nematodes that are killed by your immune system?
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SolariS
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Posted: May 29 2007 at 22:32 |
Proletariat wrote:
SolariS wrote:
Proletariat wrote:
SolariS wrote:
Proletariat wrote:
stonebeard wrote:
If an animal is endangered, then it is unacceptable unless the survival of a certain culture of humans depend on it. Humans come before animals. Everything else, IMO, should be fair game.
You made a good point. What's the difference between a seal and a cow? Cuteness. The hypocrisy of the animal right movement.... |
Let me take that one step further: what is the differance between a man and a fly?
nothing.
we are just animals, and animals kill animals. |
Um, I'm different than a fly.
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by good luck and a couple million years.
and you have the right to kill other species in order to stay at the top and not let the fly get above you. |
nah, I let the butchers do that.
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Dont you love that we have specialization.
any way Its probably not a butcher but millions of imigrants standing along a conveyor belt with knives, a meat grinder and a sterilization machine that does it. |
i hate specialization. it produces the paris hiltons of the world!
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The Miracle
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Posted: May 29 2007 at 22:33 |
King of Loss wrote:
FAT AND GREASY WALRUSES, ULKULKULKULKULK!!!
ULKULKULKULK!  |
f**k THAT! 
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Proletariat
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Posted: May 29 2007 at 22:34 |
SolariS wrote:
Proletariat wrote:
SolariS wrote:
Proletariat wrote:
SolariS wrote:
Proletariat wrote:
stonebeard wrote:
If an animal is endangered, then it is unacceptable unless the survival of a certain culture of humans depend on it. Humans come before animals. Everything else, IMO, should be fair game.
You made a good point. What's the difference between a seal and a cow? Cuteness. The hypocrisy of the animal right movement.... |
Let me take that one step further: what is the differance between a man and a fly?
nothing.
we are just animals, and animals kill animals. |
Um, I'm different than a fly.
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by good luck and a couple million years.
and you have the right to kill other species in order to stay at the top and not let the fly get above you. |
nah, I let the butchers do that.
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Dont you love that we have specialization.
any way Its probably not a butcher but millions of imigrants standing along a conveyor belt with knives, a meat grinder and a sterilization machine that does it. |
i hate specialization. it produces the paris hiltons of the world!
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only under capitalism
I hate that entertainers get more than real workers. oh well.
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who hiccuped endlessly trying to giggle but wound up with a sob
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SolariS
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Posted: May 29 2007 at 22:34 |
william314159 wrote:
what about all the rotifers and nematodes that are killed by your immune system?
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rofflemonsters?
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SolariS
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Posted: May 29 2007 at 22:35 |
Proletariat wrote:
SolariS wrote:
Proletariat wrote:
SolariS wrote:
Proletariat wrote:
SolariS wrote:
Proletariat wrote:
stonebeard wrote:
If an animal is endangered, then it is unacceptable unless the survival of a certain culture of humans depend on it. Humans come before animals. Everything else, IMO, should be fair game.
You made a good point. What's the difference between a seal and a cow? Cuteness. The hypocrisy of the animal right movement.... |
Let me take that one step further: what is the differance between a man and a fly?
nothing.
we are just animals, and animals kill animals. |
Um, I'm different than a fly.
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by good luck and a couple million years.
and you have the right to kill other species in order to stay at the top and not let the fly get above you. |
nah, I let the butchers do that.
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Dont you love that we have specialization.
any way Its probably not a butcher but millions of imigrants standing along a conveyor belt with knives, a meat grinder and a sterilization machine that does it. |
i hate specialization. it produces the paris hiltons of the world!
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only under capitalism
I hate that entertainers get more than real workers. oh well. |
if you cant beat em join em. become a stripper.
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Atomic_Rooster
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Posted: May 29 2007 at 22:37 |
I'll kill whatever I feel is right at the time, but of course I'd never kill a rooster.
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