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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 22 2007 at 17:22
Originally posted by Sckxyss Sckxyss wrote:

Originally posted by AirKuhl AirKuhl wrote:

The first rock album that blew away all others before it with completely new  and groundbreaking new sounds, new tools, new production techniques, new arrangements, etc. is Sgt. Peppers Lonely Hearts Club Band.  Thus, it's the first prog rock album.   It you don't believe me, ask the members of all the other bands mentioned here, most will tell you the same. (based on interviews I've read)
 
Even if you think it is the first, is it really the one that best defines prog?


Good point.  On some abstract level based on it's relation to prior music, then yes.  But as far as a representative sound (if such a thing is possible), I'll have to say that Yes is probably the poster child IMO.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 22 2007 at 17:23
I'd say King Crimson is the definitive prog band, even though they're not my favorite band.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 23 2007 at 04:27

The cheaters answer: ELP, because they were a super group.

The thought out answer: of the three bands being disputed most right here (and I thought of them all too), I'd go with Genesis. King Crimson might have done the whole prog thing best, but they lacked several key elements of the genre: side epics, concept albums, overuse of keyboards (not that that's a bad thing).

Yes had all that, but it sometimes feels more like dressed up art pop. Nope. Genesis had it all, EXCEPT for one thing that both Yes and Crimso had: frequent, psychotic lineup changes. Other than that though, Genesis did it all. Even sold out. Covered all bases.

The REAL answer: dude, Tull? They invented prog. King Crimson TOTALLY stole "21st Century Schizoid Man" from "Song For Jeffrey." Then Tull invented metal AND arena rock. They're sold so short these days...

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 23 2007 at 04:30
except in the real world, few know Genesis' prog music, let alone Crimson's. And Tull are a distant memory.. more 'arena rock' than anything. Yes is still popular, but I think it's probably ELP. It wasn't their fault they were a 'supergroup', they were just three guys that had already been in successful bands. Zep was considered a supergroup, but only Page was well-known. It's an artificial term, I think.







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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 23 2007 at 04:36
Originally posted by Atavachron Atavachron wrote:

except in the real world, few know Genesis' prog music, let alone Crimson's. And Tull are a distant memory.. more 'arena rock' than anything. Yes is still popular, but I think it's probably ELP.

 
Okay, think of it this way: ask a progger what the definative Tull album is, he'll say Thick. Ask a normal human being, he'll say 'Lung.
 
For the progsters, Genesis should be the definitive band. For outsiders, yeah, Yes or ELP are more known (read: get played on the radio from time to time in the form of "Lucky Man" or "All Good People"). I mean, they know Genesis, but as an 80's pop band. 
 
For reasons stated above, I too would go with ELP.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 23 2007 at 06:29
I'd go with Yes. When I hear prog in a non prog setting, there the first band I think of. Plus, they had it all, Skill, writing ability, a charismatic front man with a great voice! There a just a great major pioneer of Prog!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 23 2007 at 06:31
? Zappa, King Crimson, Genesis, Yes, Can, Amon Duul II, Magma, Beatles, Traffic, Family...



  
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 23 2007 at 12:13
I don't think there is such a thing. Few bands have produced 100 percent progressive music their whole careers. (Anglagard is one of the few)
I would say ELP because to me they are what made prog beautiful to my ears...however, I know that they are not the "definitive" band. In truth...is there such a thing?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 23 2007 at 15:05
I dont consider Tull one of the three definative bands of prog, simply because... they lived on hits. I'm sorry, but it is true. How can you do two amazing albums like taab and a passion play, then come out with the very poppy and catchy three minuete long tunes of skating away and bungle in the jungle on the very non-prog warchild album?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 23 2007 at 17:12
Originally posted by prog4evr prog4evr wrote:

Originally posted by micky micky wrote:


Floyd
King Crimson
ELP
Yes.
What is it about PF that is prog?  I agree with the other three, but the fourth band to define prog for me would be Camel...
 


missed your post while I was on a vacation of sorts from the site....LOL

Camel was a 2nd divsion prog band at best... by the time they hit their stride ...prog was heading down the toilet.  IF Camel had breathed fresh life into prog and IMPACTED prog like the groups ..well.. the groups I listed. I'd see Camel being worthy of being a 'definitive' prog group.  Sure the music is good... so are the scores of bands all of have in our collections,  that few to anyone here have  heard.  It's about impact... not as much quality. Though they do often go hand in hand....  having one.. doesn't automatically mean the other.

As far as Floyd...  directly creating one sub-genre of prog (SR) and being a large influence on another (KR)... and hell.. I'd toss electronic prog  in there as well.  They may not have been high on the complexity scale.. but that isn't all that prog was about. It was much more about the artistic aestetic than meer complexity. In that.. Floyd was prog in spades.  I don't see how anyone could seriously underestimate their impact and influence throughout prog.   But that is just the way I see it of course hahahah
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 24 2007 at 00:57
Originally posted by schizoid_man77 schizoid_man77 wrote:

I dont consider Tull one of the three definative bands of prog, simply because... they lived on hits. I'm sorry, but it is true. How can you do two amazing albums like taab and a passion play, then come out with the very poppy and catchy three minuete long tunes of skating away and bungle in the jungle on the very non-prog warchild album?


They lived on hits? Did you venture beyond Warchild and TOTR,TYTD and listen to the folksy Songs From The Wood (my favorite) and Heavy Horses, and the more rock-oriented Stormwatch and A?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 24 2007 at 09:22
Smile Hi,
 
i find very hard to point one band that defines prog-rock genre.Of course almost everyone return to roots of this genre, but according to their taste.It'a a subjective choise. Mine's would be Yes, they stick to their guns and endurred through time, delivering complex but beauti full music, and for me allways inspireing and hopeful.
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 24 2007 at 09:41
I would also go with Yes.  Tull is not prog enough in my eyes.  Yes also had more rock spouts than ELP while still having the keyboards and 20 minute epics.  Even though I probably like ELP more, Yes is the definative.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 24 2007 at 09:56
For me it would be DT's Falling Into Infinity album. There's just so much variety and display of musicianship.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 24 2007 at 09:59
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 24 2007 at 12:31
I agree with Yes as the definitive prog band.  They embody just about every prog cliche -- good and bad -- that there is.  1) They started off as a non-prog band and became prog over time; 2) They were from England; 3) Their best material was great and helped change popular music; 4) They had rotating personnel; 5) The album covers; 6) the mystical lyrics; 6) They got bloated and stale toward the end of the '70s and stopped recording regularly; 7) They went "pop" in the '80s and had a commercial resurgence while alienating most of their old fans; 8) They went back to being somewhat progressive in the second half of the '90s to the present, but it was just a pale imitation of how good they once were; 9) there are legions of people on the internet who have deluded themselves into thinking that #8 isn't true. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 24 2007 at 14:22
Originally posted by yargh yargh wrote:

I agree with Yes as the definitive prog band.  They embody just about every prog cliche -- good and bad -- that there is.  1) They started off as a non-prog band and became prog over time; 2) They were from England; 3) Their best material was great and helped change popular music; 4) They had rotating personnel; 5) The album covers; 6) the mystical lyrics; 6) They got bloated and stale toward the end of the '70s and stopped recording regularly; 7) They went "pop" in the '80s and had a commercial resurgence while alienating most of their old fans; 8) They went back to being somewhat progressive in the second half of the '90s to the present, but it was just a pale imitation of how good they once were; 9) there are legions of people on the internet who have deluded themselves into thinking that #8 isn't true. 
 
...or alternatively substitute the name of your own favorite band above in place of Yes... LOL
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 24 2007 at 14:37
"...or alternatively substitute the name of your own favorite band above in place of Yes..."
 
No, it doesn't work for most bands -- that's why Yes is the definitive prog band.  Most bands are missing at least one of those elements. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 24 2007 at 19:42
Originally posted by The Wizard The Wizard wrote:

Pink Floyd
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 25 2007 at 05:48
Originally posted by schizoid_man77 schizoid_man77 wrote:

I dont consider Tull one of the three definative bands of prog, simply because... they lived on hits. I'm sorry, but it is true. How can you do two amazing albums like taab and a passion play, then come out with the very poppy and catchy three minuete long tunes of skating away and bungle in the jungle on the very non-prog warchild album?
 
One could say the same thing about Yes...they lived (and still do) off radio hits like "Seen All Good People," "Roundabout," and, dare I say it, "Loner of an Ownly Heart." And I still contend that Close to the Edge is a very looooong song, rather than a multi-part suite. It's just harder and softer in some places, and dressed up in complex soloing, but at heart, a nice little tune.
 
And Warchild not prog? Oh, you must hate that the Moody Blues are here...
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