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Ivan_Melgar_M
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I know ratings without reviews will not be prohibited but we should not encourage them IMHO for tghis reasons:
I agree leave them because there are some honest persons that rate an album in an objective way, but we have to encourage the effort of the people who also make a review to support a rating. I say give Rartings without reviews weight one (01), Ratings with Review weight three (03) and ratings with review from a collaborator weight five (05).
If I see an album with 5 dstars, I want to know why in hell the reviewer gave so high rating not because he/she likes the band or one star becausethat person wants SEBTP to be N° 1 instead of Close to the Edge.
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erik neuteboom
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I am not a fan of progmetal, imagine I start a vicious crusade against bands like Dream Theater by rating their albums with one star, without a review: who is punishing my bad behaviour in that case? The same goes for bands like Radiohead, Magnum, Iron Maiden, shall I go for one star rating without reviews only to feel good because I have released my frustrations without any punishment/correction, it's possible at Prog Archives So any creap/jerk who wants to blow good bands without a review can go ahead, that's reality here on Prog Archives and I don't like that because it's a major blow to those reviewers who are serious in their efforts to write objective about bands! Edited by erik neuteboom - May 16 2007 at 17:59 |
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yargh
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As long as the laughable system of weighting the scores of collaborators higher than that of other reviewers persists, it seems ridiculous to complain about ratings without reviews. Ratings without reviews allows one to present his/her musical tastes in a quick and efficient manner -- so that when he/she does go about writing some reviews of those albums, his/her point of view can be ascertained by a prospective reader.
People are getting way too hung up on an album's aggregate rating. A simple solution is to get rid of them. Post them once per year, or something. I mean, who really cares?
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debrewguy
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I support your proposal re : different weighting for reviews. It would motivate most of us to do more than give an album a score, and give more value to ratings by our "experts". As for the concern of people making a concerted & conscious effort to bring down or goose up an album's avg score, well, let's face it - it's an inherent fault in any community poll. Some will do that. Most don't. But don't forget that you have a right to your opinion. IF one is so lacking in self esteem as to do either, they should at least know that one person's efforts make little difference in the total. I mean, can you really argue that the number one album is way much better than album number 15. The difference in total score must be pretty small. So unless your ego needs to see your fave album at number one, you likely can think of better thing to do with your time. We can all admit that there are highly rated albums that some of us strongly believe are overrated, and vice-versa. But I would be surprised that anyone here would love Gentle Giant any less because they don't have any albums in the top ten. OR love Genesis any more just because they have a few in the top 50. That's the purpose of forums & polls. You can discuss in detail(or not) why you like or don't like an album. The lists are simply an imperfect reflection of group thinking, no more & no less. Edited by debrewguy - May 16 2007 at 21:53 |
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tuxon
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I'm always almost unlucky _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ Id5ZcnjXSZaSMFMC Id5LM2q2jfqz3YxT
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Sean Trane
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Eh Yargh,
long time no read!!!
I agree with those rankings getting way too much attentionfrom everyone (or almmost).
But when you're a teenager, you like those top lists, you study them and almost memorize them. I used to love those radio top 1000 albums inthe 70's
Today, I couldn't care less.
As for the weighing factor, I only patially appreciate it, but it's the best way to moderate unreal overall album averages
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let's just stay above the moral melee
prefer the sink to the gutter keep our sand-castle virtues content to be a doer as well as a thinker, prefer lifting our pen rather than un-sheath our sword |
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Snow Dog
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Well I'm no teen but I like lists. Its not an age thing I believe.
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debrewguy
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I think sometimes it becomes an ego thing. As in - the great groups rule the top ten; of course they're my favourites, I only listen to 'GOOD" stuff. It's fun to disagree & debate, but hardly anything to get upset over... except for the omission of Klaatu from 2 of the top spots |
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Snow Dog
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Nothing to do with Ego for me......its just interesting to see which is most popular for each year/genre or whatever.
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debrewguy
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Ah, there we have it, the most appropriate word - popular. I wonder if re-wording the top so & so lists would make it less irritating to some people ... But then, I suppose some would then begin the argument that some are more "popular" than others because they're less proggy ... |
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debrewguy
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I just thought of the perfect way to determine the top of "genre" lists. Me & the T split the site's bands in two & exercise our god like talents to help others know once & for all what's what. And that finally means Klaatu & Ange will reign supreme as they deserve to. I mean, if I get the A to L listed artists. If not, then PFM & Rush get their just desserts.
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The T
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I Couldn't agree more.
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debrewguy
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OK, so now I just have to do like that SnakePlisken guy did with his four most recent Rush 5 star reviews. Use the same paragraph, cut & paste PA member's names one by one, then wait for them to agree & claim that everyone agrees with me. I am so smart I am so smart ... S M R T... doh ! P.S. The main condition stands. If I get A to L, Klaatu & Ange go to the top. If I get M to Z, then PFM & Rush. Other than that , I'm flexible. |
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The T
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If I get A to M, there's not much question about which bands would go straight to the top.... (any of you really have to wonder?)... So maybe for the interest of fairness, I'll accept N to Z....
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progismylife
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^You'll put Kayo Dot at the top?
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The T
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Of course! Straight to the top of the trash can, that is... (just kidding...Am I? Yes! Am I? ) |
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billbuckner
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Pink Floyd a blues band? You kidding?
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MikeEnRegalia
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I thought about this a while and I can't name a single Blues song by Pink Floyd.
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Kotro
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From the top of my head:
-More Blues
-Two Bar Blues
-Seamus
-Mademoiselle Knobs
-Childhood's End
-Money
-Shine On You Crazy Diamond part 3-5
But calling them a blues band is just way off-target... Even though I believe blues CAN be progressive.
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Bigger on the inside.
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Certif1ed
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^Mademoiselle Nobs and Seamus are the same song, and Money isn't strictly a blues song - it started out as one, but evolved, just as the Floyd started out as a blues band.
The reviews aren't a place for such a discussion - or the below discussion about which bands should or should not be in the archives (as Rule 5 states!):
"If we allow blues bands to enter the prog realm then we need to make room for Hendrix's "Electric Lady Land' and Santana's "Abraxas". Each of those, IMO, MUCH better than WYWH. The musicianship on those two FAR EXCEEDS anything on WYWH. Heck, while we're at it, why not let Miles Davis into the mix as well! Wanna talk about progressive! Get the picture? :-)
But, I think I get it now....As long as the band/artist is British, or European(take Eloy, another blues band, PF clone) then they can be categorized as prog! Is that it?! It sure seems that way to me. For PF to be in the top five and no Hendrix or Santana seems kinda strange to me. " Edited by Certif1ed - May 19 2007 at 01:28 |
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