Metallica?

Well, the search option sucks, and my laziness to use it sucks, too. I will go against everything I said some three months ago in an unrelated thread about another band and say that now that I've heard Metallica's albums more than  years since the last time I did, and with a LOT of prog-metal in my bloodstream, I'm ready to recognize the fact that Hetfield, Ulrich and the others deserve a spot here as much as Iron Maiden did. I know I'll get some violence because of this (so, let me act ahead of you...... Ok...), but it's just undeniable that without Metallica, even that band I tolerate, Dream Theater, , wouldn't exist, and when we look at the history of metal and how thrash was being developed, there's no other band that actually progressed and made metal progress as this band did. Maybe for symphonic prog they didn't do anything... But for progressive-metal, one of prog's most important genres today, whether we like it or not, Metallica was the cornerstone. I'd say that the mix that generated prog-metal is Rush+Iron Maiden+Metallica, with a little bit of Sabbath, Led Zeppelin and Deep Purple... Of these, 4 are already here. I don't know about Sabbath, but when you hear theevolution from Kill 'Em All to the evolved-thrash of Ride The Lightning to the actual progressive metal of Master of Puppets and And justice for All, to how they finally destroyed what thrash was about releasing a fantastic mature metal album as the Black album, where riffs have their shiniest moment of glory, I'd say there could be no doubt.

Stop! Stop, will you?!

Stop that! Stop it! Now, look! No one is to stone anyone until I blow this whistle!

Do you understand?!

Even, and I want to make this absolutely clear, even if he did say 'Metallica'.

If you add Metallica, I expect a spot also for Celtic Frost and Mercyful Fate.

Edited by paolo.beenees - May 15 2007 at 17:29

paolo.beenees wrote: If you add Metallica, I expect a spot also for Celtic Frost and Mercyful Fate.   erm... I almost forgot King Diamond... forgive me Kim!

You raise a valid point, but a very similar argument could be made for Black Sabbath, Megadeth, and many other bands that are considered heavy metal but not prog.

Before we knew it, it would look like we should be including almost any heavy metal band that may have influenced prog-metal, and it would just get out of hand.

Sure, certain additions, such as Iron Maiden, probably opened up a floodgate for this kind of addition. However, I say close the floodgate, instead of opening it further, or the site is going to start losing a lot of credibility.

Either we'd become "ProgArchives with MetalArchives included!", which makes no sense, or the people who run the site would have an increasingly difficult time trying to justify not including certain metal bands. IMO, better to put a halt to this kind of thing before it devolves into one of those two scenarios.

I'd say no.. and I grew up in S.F., they were our boys.

and T, you say you don't want to be stoned, but I think you already are

( kidding)

Hell no,  Metellica is a joke just like the Sex Pistols or Liberace

MikeEnRegalia wrote: so many negative general comments, but nobody explains to me why Master of Puppets isn't prog. I assume that most posters here simply don't know the album and judge the band based on Enter Sandman and Until it Sleeps (if not, *please* elaborate).

Please don't take offence but I find Metellica to be 'thug rock' like Sex Pistols, AC/DC, Def Leppard etc. Which is pretty much the antithesis of prog. After all you listen to prog to get away from such (how shall I put this) 'stuff'.

MikeEnRegalia wrote: Cheesecakemouse wrote: MikeEnRegalia wrote: so many negative general comments, but nobody explains to me why Master of Puppets isn't prog. I assume that most posters here simply don't know the album and judge the band based on Enter Sandman and Until it Sleeps (if not, *please* elaborate). Please don't take offence but I find Metellica to be 'thug rock' like Sex Pistols, AC/DC, Def Leppard etc. Which is pretty much the antithesis of prog. After all you listen to prog to get away from such (how shall I put this) 'stuff'. ok, I guess you really don't know the album.

Yeah you've got me there.
But the rest of their discography isn't prog?

Cheesecakemouse wrote: MikeEnRegalia wrote: Cheesecakemouse wrote: MikeEnRegalia wrote: so many negative general comments, but nobody explains to me why Master of Puppets isn't prog. I assume that most posters here simply don't know the album and judge the band based on Enter Sandman and Until it Sleeps (if not, *please* elaborate). Please don't take offence but I find Metellica to be 'thug rock' like Sex Pistols, AC/DC, Def Leppard etc. Which is pretty much the antithesis of prog. After all you listen to prog to get away from such (how shall I put this) 'stuff'. ok, I guess you really don't know the album. Yeah you've got me there. But the rest of their discography isn't prog?

The following album (...And Justice For All) was very technical and could be seen as prog-related because it's very technical and complex regarding to song structure (much more dedicated to form than any other Thrash Metal album I know), and there are some single tracks on the previous albums that are quite "proggy", most of all Call of Khtulu. But you're right, I think that only Master of Puppets can be seen as prog (prog-related on this website, prog if you take the word literally). I think this is why most people don't see the connection ... with Iron Maiden the case is simpler, because they have never been very progressive, but consistently so on a greater number of albums.


Edited by MikeEnRegalia - May 16 2007 at 03:05