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salmacis
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Topic: New BBC2 series- 'Seven Ages Of Rock' Posted: May 10 2007 at 07:17 |
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I've been hearing about this new series for a while now, here's the press release courtesy of this weblink: http://www.neptunepinkfloyd.co.uk/news/?y=07&id=0323 "Starting May 19, BBC Two takes us on a journey through the Seven Ages of Rock and explores the music that has been the soundtrack to our lives, defining each generation since the 1960's, from the crackly 45 to MP3s. Seven Ages of Rock will, through the prism of iconic artists such as Roger Waters, David Bowie, Bryan Ferry, Phil Collins, Debbie Harry, Ozzy Osbourne, Johnny Marr, Dave Grohl, Noel Gallagher, Damon Albarnand Alex Kapranos, explore key eras in rock, telling the story of each age through the music itself. Each episode breaks down key tracks, providing a social context. Notebooks ready, here’s a brief guide to the lesson plan: 1. The Road to Woodstock The rock revolution of the 1960’s as seen through the life and music of Jimi Hendrix. This episode also explores the influence of rhythm & blues on a generation of British musicians such as The Rolling Stones, and shows how Bob Dylan and The Beatles transformed the ambitions of rock. 2. Between Rock And an Art Place From the pop-art multi-media experiments of Andy Warhol and the Velvet Underground to the sinister gentility of Peter Gabriel’s Genesis, this episode will trace the story of how artistic and conceptual expression permeated rock. 3. Blank Generation A tale of two cities, class and race-driven London and bankrupt New York. Each city gave birth to a b*****d child that changed popular music forever - punk. We will explore the music of The Sex Pistols, The Clash, Ramones, Television, Patti Smith, The Damned and Buzzcocks. 4. Never Say Die
We follow the development of some the biggest names in rock in the 70s and 80s (Queen, The Police, Dire Straits) and examine how rock achieved a global influence on culture and politics through MTV and events such as Live Aid. We see how U2 effectively brought this era to a close, re-imagining what it meant to be a successful rock band. 6. The Last Rock Star We trace the history of the American underground music scene that produced bands like REM, Nirvana and The Pixies, and why they resonated with ‘Generation X’ – offering an alternative to the established music industry and Reaganesque politics. Of course this includes a fresh look at the Seattle ‘grunge’ scene, culminating in the short life of Kurt Cobain – an artist whose triumph and tragedy continues to cast an inescapable shadow. 7. What the World is Waiting For British Indie music was once seen as the bastion of the earnest ‘High Fidelity’ snob. Often political, indie was a way of defining oneself in a sea of vapid chart fodder, a redoubt against Blur v Oasis, indie was a marketing device, ultimately losing it’s integrity at Oasis’s Knebworth spectacle in 1996. Indie was mainstream. Indie was dead. But was it? From The Libertines to Franz Ferdinand and The Arctic Monkeys, indie labels reconnected to their fans, using both new technology and good old rock n roll to inspire and motivate a new generation to ditch the decks and pick up a guitar. Rock is back. " And some more info here (there may be a name you will recognise amongst the comments at the bottom...):
It seems Genesis and Pink Floyd are at least getting a mention but I really wonder whether this series will just be another revisionist attempt to tell us what a wonderful thing punk has done for music and the industry- the involvement of former NME scribe Charles Shaar Murray would imply that could happen, with prog possibly getting some derisory comments and the painfully hip will laugh at heavy rock too.
I remember the last attempt at this, 'Dancing In The Street' when it aired and I have a few of the released VHS that came out and it wasn't great for prog content, the only mention of prog was Keith Emerson hammering away on the Hammond and the narrator talking about spectacle in rock. Only Led Zeppelin were featured to represent heavy rock and only then very briefly, as far as I recall.
But I'll certainly be watching for the promised rare footage... Edited by salmacis - May 31 2007 at 06:20 |
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Tony R
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Posted: May 10 2007 at 07:40 | |
That *person* seems to have left his spellchecker switched off and his bad temper switched *on* !
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mystic fred
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Posted: May 10 2007 at 07:53 | |
Looking forward to seeing the series, Hendrix, Genesis et al, though as you say many of the views expressed in these things are only someone's opinion and usually include too many interviews - we'll see
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Certif1ed
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Posted: May 10 2007 at 07:59 | |
I'll be watching this series - if only to see how much I disagree with!
(But mostly for the video footage - yum!) Edited by Certif1ed - May 10 2007 at 07:59 |
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Heptade
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Posted: May 10 2007 at 14:24 | |
Now doubt more standard issue Rolling Stone/NME opinions about the history of rock...Dylan is God blah blah, Beatles important, blah blah, Hendrix important, blah blah, make fun of prog blah blah, ignore European rock entirely, everything happened in England and US, blah blah, punk was good 'cause it killed prog blah, then U2 is wonderful blah, Radiohead and Oasis are great blah, try to wrap up the series by picking which current Brit rock bands will actually sustain a career (they won't, if we're lucky), end blah.
Enjoy! (Bitter, ich? No way!) |
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Dick Heath
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Posted: May 11 2007 at 06:36 | |
The cynic in me wrt the prevailing music media in the UK, tells me I'm expecting about the same as you. It would be refreshing to hear this story without the usual prejudices and indeed lies.
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Heptade
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Posted: May 12 2007 at 09:33 | |
Something tells me PFM isn't going to get mentioned, but Paul Weller will!
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debrewguy
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Posted: May 12 2007 at 14:29 | |
NO matter who would decide what is included, I think Certi5ied got it right - you watch or read it just to see what you disagree with . But who would watch something called the best whatever according to me, myself & I. Apart from the 3 of us , of course Edited by debrewguy - May 12 2007 at 14:31 |
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salmacis
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Posted: May 13 2007 at 04:48 | |
My problem with punk isn't really the music (I'm not a great fan by any means but I don't mind the odd tune) and even less the musicians who generally seem a lot more open minded than most journalists, it is the way it is endlessly shoved down our throats by the media. A lot of documentaries take the assumption that EVERYONE likes punk and that EVERYTHING that went before it in the 1970s was dull, whilst a fair proportion of what these critics like from the early 70s they justify by calling it 'proto punk'.
I hope that this one could be different as at least Genesis seem to be getting featured and there is a whole programme dedicated to heavy rock/metal. That in itself is an improvement over 'Dancing In The Street'. Let's just hope there's none of that 'ironic'/hipster stuff attached...
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Tony R
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Posted: May 13 2007 at 08:15 | |
...or wheeling out of that old fake Lemmy.....or pretending that Status Quo mean anything outside of the UK............same with Oasis...........and Robbie effin Williams....
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fuxi
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Posted: May 13 2007 at 15:46 | |
I wonder if there's ever going to be a backlash. I mean, look at baroque art and architecture, a style which blossomed especially in southern Europe. It was considered "bad taste" for hundreds of years. Even nowadays many northerners think it's over the top. But in the last twenty years or so, more and more critics have started praising it, even here in Britain. The same thing could happen to prog. As we all know, the main problem is that the media are still dominated by the "Punk Thought Police", which doesn't tolerate non-punk views of history. My guess is that listeners are more open-minded than professional critics. For every ten kids that now discover SONGS IN THE KEY OF LIFE or MORE SONGS ABOUT BUILDINGS AND FOOD (wonderful albums, of course), there must be at least one who discovers RELAYER or SELLING ENGLAND. Or two, even?
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Moogtron III
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Posted: May 13 2007 at 16:29 | |
Interesting. Hurrah, we get BBC 2 here in Belgium.
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Dick Heath
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Posted: May 14 2007 at 07:33 | |
However, give the Beeb its due - the series Jazz Britannica, Soul Britannica etc. on TV BBC 4 have been very good. Very little to criticise wrt to balance and painting a relatively full pictures on the subjects, without derogatory comments. IMHO Jazz Britannica had far better balance in its 3 hours of episodes than the much longer Ken Burn's Jazz series.
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fuxi
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Posted: May 14 2007 at 07:42 | |
You're absolutely right. I don't have satellite or cable TV, so I can only watch "BBC 4 ON BBC 2", but in the past couple of years there have been excellent one-hour portraits of Robert Wyatt, Ivor Cutler and Richard Thompson. |
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salmacis
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Posted: May 14 2007 at 09:37 | |
Oh yeah, for sure BBC have had their moments. I have the Jazz Brittania one somewhere and thought it was excellent. Their Folk Britannia one a while back was good too. I'm hoping for a Blues one...
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Posted: May 14 2007 at 11:49 | |
The best one of these i've seen was Tony Palmer's "all you need is love" a multi-part series on polular music.
Contains a marvelous interview with Frank Zappa, Emerson destroying a piano, and loads of other good stuff. Saw it on TV in late 70's. Must get onto amazon and see if it's still available |
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debrewguy
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Posted: May 14 2007 at 12:24 | |
I'm going to take issue with your comments here .... Lemmy is not a fake, he's two faced. Great character to be with sharing a few dozen pints, great rock icon in sticking to what he wants to do, f the trends; but not the person you want turning against you. Status Quo at least mean a little in North America. Too bad, 'cause they were just as deserving of some success over here as Foghat ( I love 'em both) during their classic period. Quo & Hello are prime example of basic boogie blues well done , before it became cliched (which didn't take too long. indeed it is rarely mentioned that boogie & blues clone bands were also part of the reason Punk broke out big, not just prog as we too often see mentioned) Oasis are still big over here, just not to the same extent as in Europe. But then they are no longer the trendy band of the moment enjoying big singles here. We're saturated with trends this past half decade, & Noel doesn't write for today's charts. Which is too bad, if you've had a look at the top 40 in whatever genre. Robbie WIlliams, on the other hand, I understand lives in L.A. because no one recognises him over here |
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Man Erg
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Posted: May 14 2007 at 12:32 | |
There was a 6 part series on TV in Britain in the early 90's that charted 'Underground' music from the 60s through to the 80s.There was one episode completely dedicated to Prog' with early film of Yes,Genesis,Nice/ELP Gentle Giant and a host of others.
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debrewguy
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Posted: May 14 2007 at 12:34 | |
Whoa, Y'all are punching the wrong buttons here .... In My (hopefully seeming) humble opinion : Your analysis of the problem with media is incorrect. There are some that view "punk" as the be all & end all. But in general, the media (outside of the music biz) tend more towards the mainstream. As far as listeners go, well ... I think they may have a better idea of music than you seem to demonstrate here - Songs in the Key of Life is from Stevie Wonder, who I would be very surprised to find out is in any way considered "Punk". And Talking Heads were more part of the Critics' definition of punk or New Wave. Personally, I feel that if they weren't from that great concentration of Artsy Fartsy cultural critics' clique that is too often the metropolis of New York, they would have been ascribed a much smaller role & impact in American Music. SO in these two cases, the logic seem to skip when making comparisons. P.S. Check out some threads here , then substitute "Prog" for "Punk" in the phrase Punk Thought Police. We all have our biases. |
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debrewguy
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Posted: May 14 2007 at 12:36 | |
Question to the sceptics - Would you rather have the BBC or Fox Network producing a documentary on anything ?
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