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Chus wrote: Well what was Happy Family (the song) about?

That is unfair, as Sinfeild wrote the lyrics.  This was actually around the time that Fripp was getting quite unhappy with Peter (and everybody else, for that matter!), so he may or may not of approved of all of the lyrics. 

BroSpence wrote: [QUOTE=Atomic_Rooster]Ringo must be the single greatest drummer of all time *chokes on lies*

 [QUOTE] Ringo was and still is a great drummer.  Compared to Virgil Donati or Terry Bozzio he does not have the chops, but when Ringo played on those wondeful Beatles albums and his solo albums he added a whole depth to the sound.  Can you imagine listening to any Beatles song with a different drummer?  Think about Come Together.  That has one of the greatest beats ever.  [QUOTE]

Edited by Progger - May 13 2007 at 02:50

rileydog22 wrote: Chus wrote: Well what was Happy Family (the song) about?  That is unfair, as Sinfeild wrote the lyrics.  This was actually around the time that Fripp was getting quite unhappy with Peter (and everybody else, for that matter!), so he may or may not of approved of all of the lyrics.

come to think of it the song walking on air on the KC album Thrak was blatantly John Lennon influenced. The song Lady of the Dancing water on Lizard sounds very similar to a Beatles tune (I can't remember which one).
But as I said earlier,  the Beatles arn't the only influential group people seem to forget about the other genres eg Jazz, Avantgarde classical, Frank Zappa.


Edited by Cheesecakemouse - May 13 2007 at 06:48

The Beatles were great songwriters, and put out a lot of good stuff. But I also think they're terribly overrated. In my opinion most of Frank Zappa's material goes far over any of the Beatle's achievements in songwriting and especially musicianship. The Beatles were much better at pop then most of the bands here which made them very huge with the masses, so it is understandable why they'd be such a huge influence.

TLC, weren't you raving about how Genesis was the best band but a few weeks ago?

No.

Speesh wrote: The Beatles were great songwriters, and put out a lot of good stuff. But I also think they're terribly overrated. In my opinion most of Frank Zappa's material goes far over any of the Beatle's achievements in songwriting and especially musicianship. The Beatles were much better at pop then most of the bands here which made them very huge with the masses, so it is understandable why they'd be such a huge influence. TLC, weren't you raving about how Genesis was the best band but a few weeks ago?

Certif1ed wrote: rileydog22 wrote: atomic_rooster wrote: Don't get me wrong, I like the Beatles a bit, I just feel that they are very overrated My thoughts exactly!   I don't believe it's possible to over-rate the Beatles at all.   It is possible to underestimate their importance, however - people seem to do that all the time

Ghandi 2 wrote: No.   Speesh, Genesis were the best prog band. As The Beatles are not prog, there is a subtle difference.

Ah, that makes much more sense. As a non-prog band I'd say they're one of the best considering their consistently very good output.

mystic fred wrote: i totally disagree with what you say, but i defend (not with my life) your right to say it! IMHO The Beatles and Frank Zappa bear no comparison whatsoever, most of what Zappa did seemed to be extended jamming mixed with silly humour, miles and miles and miles of tape and dozens and dozens of albums, i bet they just jammed all day and left someone reloading the tape machine all day!  i have a copy of "Hot Rats" which is a brilliant album, but all the others i've heard are totally lost on me.   The Beatles learned their craft the hard way, and perfected their enormous talent over the years, their musical genius  reached everybody and captured the mood of the times perfectly. If I hadn't heard of The Beatles in 1962 i doubt if my interest in music had come to much at all, we all owe the boys a great debt of gratitude for influencing all genres of music.   so there!

I used to feel the same way about Zappa, but the more I listen the more it seems to make sense. It is just my personal opinion that Zappa's musical achievements are better, though as we all know no opinion is right. If you haven't already be sure to try out The Grand Wazoo, I like it almost as much as Hot Rats.

And I agree that the Beatles had an unparalleled (and very positive) influence on music in general. For example, I much prefer the songwriting on Love - Forever Changes to any Beatles album I've heard to date, but it probably wouldn't exist in the first place if it wasn't for them.

From what I know they were also a substantial influence on early KC, and we all know how important the influence there is.

Edit- Don't take it seriously when I say a band's overrated, I'll say that about any band that's popular.

Oh please!

Edited by -Radioswim- - May 13 2007 at 15:34

They are and were the greatest, period.  I am not a fanboy, I just believe in their power and message and influence, and ofcourse I, as well as counntless others, enjoy the music to no end...thats not to say I dont enjoy other bands even more-so, but it is the whole THING, the whole Beatles THING!!!