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Topic: 79 minute albums...What do you think? Posted: May 11 2007 at 13:28 |
I've reached the conclusion that, 8 times out of 10, a 79-minute album is just TOO long. There are cases of masterpieces that last that long and that make full use of the minutes, making those near 80 minutes seem like 40, but in general, I think the proper length for a record is around the 55-60 minute mark. Many 75+ albums are filled with meaningless noises or segues or just minutes of empty silence, or, even worse, weak, boring songs. I can think of many examples but one that strikes me is The Mars Volta. De-Loused is the only album by then that I think deserves to last more than 70 minutes, but Amputechture and Frances, they're too long, with lots of wasted minutes, with a few weak songs, and, specially Frances (the other I just don't like) could've been very good (IMHO! ) with a trimming job. The same with cd's by band that I love like TFK.
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Posted: May 11 2007 at 13:48 |
How about Tool's Lateralus?
That clocks at over 78 min if I remember correctly and its one of the greatest albums of the last 15 years. However, it is true that perhaps removing one or two tracks (ticks & leeches really sucks!) may have made this record much stronger..
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Posted: May 11 2007 at 13:58 |
Now, I remember some albums... I think "Scenes From a Memory" (DT),... some Neal Morse's albums too... but i'm not sure.
It's true. There are many 79-minute albums
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Posted: May 11 2007 at 14:05 |
Lateralus is jut perfect the way it is. So is Terria by Devin Townsend.
I love a good +70 minute album.
Of course the length does not matter.
I think length should come naturally. The songwriter gets more skilled at writing long stuff further in his carrier. Notice most debut albums are shorter than other releases.
And I love double albums. The Human Equation is well over 100 minutes and I love every second of it
If your good at it, you can write lengthy compositions. Never enough of great music.
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Posted: May 11 2007 at 14:06 |
I like albums around the 35 to 45 minute range so to me, a 79 minute album is actually a double album =P
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Posted: May 11 2007 at 15:45 |
There are albums with every second of those 70+ minutes being masterliness... Frances The Mute, Amputechture, Dead Again, AEnima, etc... so I don't think it's too much, depends on the music. Some like Tago Mago could really help being 40 minutes shorter.
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Posted: May 11 2007 at 16:08 |
I hope this isn't a thread about Klaus Schulze, cause he is simply masterliness...and 79 minutes worthwhile.
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Posted: May 11 2007 at 18:06 |
laplace wrote:
I like albums around the 35 to 45 minute range |
Wow do you listen to prog? Awful
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Posted: May 11 2007 at 18:08 |
coleio wrote:
laplace wrote:
I like albums around the 35 to 45 minute range |
Wow do you listen to prog?
Awful
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Yes. What? ;P
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coleio
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Posted: May 11 2007 at 18:09 |
35 minutes is what's awful, even 45 might be just about okay.
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Posted: May 11 2007 at 18:10 |
You're babbling man, snap out of it.
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Posted: May 11 2007 at 18:12 |
Wow the epitome of an inteliigent reply...
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Posted: May 11 2007 at 18:14 |
Well, when your whole case is "Awful", it's ample. ;P What's so awful about concise albums, as you'd put it?
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Posted: May 11 2007 at 18:16 |
It depends on the quality of the album. I love listening to DT's Scenes from a Memory, but I find Ayreon's The Human Equation difficult to sit through, even though it is good (I know, it's over 100 minutes).
I was just listening to dredg's Leitmotif while driving. And that's roughly 47 minutes (the 17 minutes of the last song don't count to me). But I find it to be a wonderful album to listen to.
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Posted: May 11 2007 at 18:16 |
My response to your liking of 35 minute albums was ineffable, explaining my lack of rationale.
It isn't really concise, just short I think it would always feel it was missing something, especially in prog. I mean there are probably Girls Aloud albums that are longer than that...
I had finished listening to Dream Theaters new album today, and that's over an hour long and I felt it was short, maybe it's just me...
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Posted: May 11 2007 at 18:17 |
Well, let's keep the discussion CIVIL or the thread will be spoiled forever. Thanks!
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Posted: May 11 2007 at 18:18 |
I'm with laplace here, colelo. What on earth is un-proggy about listening to 35-45 minute albums? With only a handful exceptions that is the amount of music you could comfortably FIT on an LP. Anything more than that and you were indeed into double-album territory.
Gentle Giant never really went over 40 minutes on their studio releases and they were all the better for it. Every note MATTERED.
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Posted: May 11 2007 at 18:19 |
I guess I'm too used to progressive metal...
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Posted: May 11 2007 at 18:21 |
coleio wrote:
My response to your liking of 35 minute albums was ineffable, explaining my lack of rationale.
It isn't really concise, just short I think it would always feel it was missing something, especially in prog. I mean there are probably Girls Aloud albums that are longer than that...
I had finished listening to Dream Theaters new album today, and that's over an hour long and I felt it was short, maybe it's just me...
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So you're not actually making examples of bad albums that last less than forty minutes, but incredibly, just stating that short albums are awful? At least if you'd stated an opinion such as "artists don't have sufficient time to vary their themes over such a short duration" or even "CDs that hold less than an hour's worth of music are overpriced" I'd care, but either way, the band themselves decided on the album's length so it's a complete work of art as given. So as it is... you're babbling, man, snap out of it. =P
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Posted: May 11 2007 at 18:22 |
Rush albums were never longer than 38 minutes in the 70's-early 80's, and even those albums (bar a couple exceptions) had a lot of fillers (IMHO).
Length is no problem when the quality goes with it... But I've heard too many 75+ cds that really are too long....
If there's one "pretentious" thing about prog it's the length of many of today's (mostly) albums....
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