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stonebeard 
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 Posted: May 05 2007 at 22:17 |
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Well, going back to the future El Presidente, assuming we somehow unf**k our situation abroad, what should get done socially on the homefront?
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JJLehto
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Posted: May 05 2007 at 22:21 |
 stonebeard wrote:
Well, going back to the future El Presidente, assuming we somehow unf**k our situation abroad, what should get done socially on the homefront? |
Universal Healthcare (but that's kinda doubtful)
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stonebeard
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Posted: May 05 2007 at 22:31 |
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The thing is, universal health care would make taxes explode. It needs to be done, but we need to take the budget and make it not so militaristic and capitalistic. We need to pump cash into education and health care. The best way to make our country great is through education, simply.
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JJLehto
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Posted: May 05 2007 at 22:33 |
stonebeard wrote:
The thing is, universal health care would make taxes explode. It needs to be done, but we need to take the budget and make it not so militaristic and capitalistic. We need to pump cash into education and health care. The best way to make our country great is through education, simply. |
Exactly, but you said JUST domestic  And I agree with education as well, I think some revamping is needed. Like....some LESS focus on those f*cking useless and god awful standardized tests, universal cirriculum, and trying to help these people pay for college!
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JJLehto
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Posted: May 05 2007 at 22:38 |
But we do know that universal healthcare is really not going to happen.
How's this for an idea stonie?
If I was a Presidential candidate, I'd advocate a radical change on the war on terror. (Let's face it, despite social needs, the war on terror will dominate politics ultimately)
I'd say let's move from going out and fighting countries, to protecting us here. Take all this money going towards the military and use it for securing here.
Oh, and lets not forget immigration! Here's my idea, instead of a fence..how about we NEGOTIATE. Like, "Hey Mexico....we can't solve this problem from just our end. You wanna maybe try to crack down on people leaving." And ya know, we could talk about it.
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King of Loss
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Posted: May 05 2007 at 22:39 |
stonebeard wrote:
The thing is, universal health care would make taxes explode. It needs to be done, but we need to take the budget and make it not so militaristic and capitalistic. We need to pump cash into education and health care. The best way to make our country great is through education, simply. |
Isn't that the definition of America though? 
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stonebeard
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Posted: May 05 2007 at 22:41 |
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Works = Socratic seminars, debate, constrictive/abstract thinking.
Not works = reading text, easy questions, toleration of assholes
It's easier to say these for the humanities, but even some of these can be applied to mathematics, which seriously needs to be overhauled in public education. Take math and go A LOT slower, doing real life models and interactive work that shows the concept in a way people can relate to. The thing that destroys math for me is neverending push to meet deadlines without understanding math. I've been doing logarithms for a year and i have no idea how they're applied.
Basically, what kills education is the lack of inspiration, enthusiasm, and the belief high school is only a day care for kids until they get to college where they cal "really" learn. Develop a fruitful, understanding, happy environment that can easily build constructive thoughts, but do not tolerate in anyway kids who think they have to be edgy and be rude during the lectures/debate. Kick them out of the class if they f**k with you.
Edited by stonebeard - May 05 2007 at 22:47
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JJLehto
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Posted: May 05 2007 at 22:43 |
Exactly...
If we truly wanted to make our education system better....it needs a RADICAL overhaul.
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King of Loss
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Posted: May 05 2007 at 22:45 |
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The best thing is up the standards. American standards, especially on Math and Science are too weak. America is obviously falling behind in these categories, so why not accelerate the programs now instead of waiting for America to fall behind even more?????
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JJLehto
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Posted: May 05 2007 at 22:47 |
..that better be sarcastic.....
Because if you're implying just using more tests and setting the bar higher...I will be very pissed off at you. But I really will be. |
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stonebeard
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Posted: May 05 2007 at 22:48 |
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I suspect we would not have to accelerate the maths if we made math more than just a boring class, which would encourage people to pay attention.
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rileydog22
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Posted: May 05 2007 at 22:49 |
JJLehto wrote:
..that better be sarcastic.....
Because if you're implying just using more tests and setting the bar higher...I will be very pissed off at you. But I really will be. |
It is possible to meet that higher bar. I attend a magnet school with a cirriculum that is extra-heavy on math and science, and this year I am taking a math course 2 levels higher than the highest offered in a normal high school, in addition to Honors chem, honors physics, and honors biology. The problem with the American schooling system is not a lack of aptitude, but a lack of interest. We need to figure out a method to eliminate apathy, not simply set the bar lower for those who will don't try.
Edited by rileydog22 - May 05 2007 at 22:51
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JJLehto
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Posted: May 05 2007 at 22:50 |
stonebeard wrote:
I suspect we would not have to accelerate the maths if we made math more than just a boring class, which would encourage people to pay attention. |
Now we're getting into idealism.
That's very true, but from a practical, real, standpoint how do you intend on doing that?
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stonebeard
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Posted: May 05 2007 at 22:54 |
JJLehto wrote:
stonebeard wrote:
I suspect we would not have to accelerate the maths if we made math more than just a boring class, which would encourage people to pay attention. |
Now we're getting into idealism.
That's very true, but from a practical, real, standpoint how do you intend on doing that? |
I offered a bit in an earlier post, but I know very little about math and am mostly content with being a master at the humanities. 
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JJLehto
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Posted: May 05 2007 at 22:56 |
stonebeard wrote:
JJLehto wrote:
stonebeard wrote:
I suspect we would not have to accelerate the maths if we made math more than just a boring class, which would encourage people to pay attention. |
Now we're getting into idealism.
That's very true, but from a practical, real, standpoint how do you intend on doing that? |
I offered a bit in an earlier post, but I know very little about math and am mostly content with being a master at the humanities.
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Me too! And know I see your plan...well OK, I agree.
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rileydog22
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Posted: May 05 2007 at 22:57 |
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The problem with application-based math is that often the applicable elements of mathematics are built upon the abstract notions. For example, one cannot do a real-life application problem of optimization without knowledge of derivatives, an abstract calculus notion. And derivatives cannot be calculated without the even more abstract concept of limits! And so on.
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JJLehto
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Posted: May 05 2007 at 23:00 |
Hmmm......so I guess we...ignore that issue!
Just talk about how you will lower taxes, then you're a shoe in!
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King of Loss
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Posted: May 05 2007 at 23:03 |
JJLehto wrote:
Hmmm......so I guess we...ignore that issue!
Just talk about how you will lower taxes, then you're a shoe in! |
Or family values in the South!
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JJLehto
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Posted: May 05 2007 at 23:11 |
Ha...so true.
This is becoming general in nature...back to candidates.
This is a serious question: If Stephen Colbert ran how many votes do you think he would he get?
Just look at his following....and you know he'd get a sh*t load of votes from alienated teens/stoners/and asses that think it'd be funny to vote for Colbert.
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stonebeard
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Posted: May 05 2007 at 23:15 |
Oh Fah Zi, I'm sure I've said something more offensive than what you've got in your sig now. Maybe an update? 
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