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I love you Hugues but this is very unfair and downright wrong.


Review by Sean Trane (Hugues Chantraine)
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3%20stars Most likely another partisan inclusion from one of our collab(look here:Thanks to xhamasaki for the artist addition. It was a non-collab addition, check this thread: http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=9579&KW=dredg... and I gotta admit they ARE much more prog then Queen!Wink), Dredg is unfortunately little more than a pale plagiarist clone of U2, with sufficiently few “differences” to avoid being sued by the Irish quartet. I actually had to pop the disc out to make sure that there was no mix-up at the library, but indeed there wasn’t.(O RLY? There has to be  something seriously wrong with me since I can't hear how they are a clone. Check Stonie's review above yours, he's a U2 fan but he doesn't mention them a single time)

Not that this clone album wouldn’t make a decent U2 album, quite on the contrary: the songwriting in itself is correct and The Edge’s guitar is still as immediately recognizable as ever. Bono’s voice seems to slightly tired from the recent touring (his returning cunningulitis tongue acting up again, maybe?)(Gavin sounds nothing like Bono. At all.Confused), while Clayton’s bass is not really loud enough in the mix. Only Larry Mullen’s drumming seems to make a decent competition of The Edge’s guitar.(whatever....)

Not the worst of U2’s album, by far, but we are a far cry from Joshua Tree or Achtung Baby.(CwA owns the entire U2 discography put together, but that's just my humble opinionWink)

Waddya mean this is not U2? Get yourself a life, willya?(Thanks, I'll try.)

Next thing you’ll tell me is that this group was not a partisan fanboy inclusion.(This was a perfectly open inclusion publicly discussed and approved by Max, given that they are one of the best modern art rock bands IMO, and I reached this conclusion not from CwA, their least proggy album but from the amazing El Cielo and excellent Leitmotif. Next thing you'll tell me is that those albums sound like U2...)


 
Which dredg album is this?
 
 
This is Catch Without Arms. >> light green cover
 
Admittedly this is the only one I heard from Dredg (so I can't speak of the other albums, which I don't) but it is U2 copying. Everything here points to it.
 
Since Dredg is in Art Rock, which it isn't .  If you look at the date, this dates from two years ago, and most likely M@x did noy know of the band. This was presented to him as such and he accepted them.  But I do think that Dredg does have a "right" to be here, but in prog-related. This is no-more prog than Muse, dEUS etc...
 
 
 
Miracle: I will rewrite the review (I admit this is bit of a rant), but please re-listen to this album with U2 in mindWink. It is IMPOSSIBLE not to hear it.
 
This album is plastered U2.


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Originally posted by Sean Trane Sean Trane wrote:

Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

Originally posted by The Miracle The Miracle wrote:



I love you Hugues but this is very unfair and downright wrong.


Review by Sean Trane (Hugues Chantraine)
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Posted 7:46:09 AM EST, 4/17/2007

3%20stars Most likely another partisan inclusion from one of our collab(look here:Thanks to xhamasaki for the artist addition. It was a non-collab addition, check this thread: http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=9579&KW=dredg... and I gotta admit they ARE much more prog then Queen!Wink), Dredg is unfortunately little more than a pale plagiarist clone of U2, with sufficiently few “differences” to avoid being sued by the Irish quartet. I actually had to pop the disc out to make sure that there was no mix-up at the library, but indeed there wasn’t.(O RLY? There has to be  something seriously wrong with me since I can't hear how they are a clone. Check Stonie's review above yours, he's a U2 fan but he doesn't mention them a single time)

Not that this clone album wouldn’t make a decent U2 album, quite on the contrary: the songwriting in itself is correct and The Edge’s guitar is still as immediately recognizable as ever. Bono’s voice seems to slightly tired from the recent touring (his returning cunningulitis tongue acting up again, maybe?)(Gavin sounds nothing like Bono. At all.Confused), while Clayton’s bass is not really loud enough in the mix. Only Larry Mullen’s drumming seems to make a decent competition of The Edge’s guitar.(whatever....)

Not the worst of U2’s album, by far, but we are a far cry from Joshua Tree or Achtung Baby.(CwA owns the entire U2 discography put together, but that's just my humble opinionWink)

Waddya mean this is not U2? Get yourself a life, willya?(Thanks, I'll try.)

Next thing you’ll tell me is that this group was not a partisan fanboy inclusion.(This was a perfectly open inclusion publicly discussed and approved by Max, given that they are one of the best modern art rock bands IMO, and I reached this conclusion not from CwA, their least proggy album but from the amazing El Cielo and excellent Leitmotif. Next thing you'll tell me is that those albums sound like U2...)


 
Which dredg album is this?
 
 
This is Catch Without Arms. >> light green cover
 
Admittedly this is the only one I heard from Dredg (so I can't speak of the other albums, which I don't) but it is U2 copying. Everything here points to it.
 
Since Dredg is in Art Rock, M@x did not have to approve it. But I do think that Dredg does have a "right" to be here, but in prog-related. This is no-more prog than Muse, dEUS etc...
 
 
 
Miracle: I will rewrite the review (I admit this is bit of a rant), but please re-listen to this album with U2 in mindWink. It is IMPOSSIBLE not to hear it.
 
This album is plastered U2.
 
I'll give it a listen too...purely out of interest.Wink
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Originally posted by Sean Trane Sean Trane wrote:



Admittedly this is the only one I heard from Dredg (so I can't speak of the other albums, which I don't) but it is U2 copying. Everything here points to it.
 
Since Dredg is in Art Rock, which it isn't .  If you look at the date, this dates from two years ago, and most likely M@x did noy know of the band. This was presented to him as such and he accepted them.  But I do think that Dredg does have a "right" to be here, but in prog-related. This is no-more prog than Muse, dEUS etc...
 


So you only know Catch Without Arms ... that makes you a "dredg n00b". Before you decide that they belong in prog-related, shouldn't you try to find out whether the album is their most prog one? If you did you'd realize that it's in fact their least prog album ...
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Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

Originally posted by Sean Trane Sean Trane wrote:



Admittedly this is the only one I heard from Dredg (so I can't speak of the other albums, which I don't) but it is U2 copying. Everything here points to it.
 
Since Dredg is in Art Rock, which it isn't .  If you look at the date, this dates from two years ago, and most likely M@x did noy know of the band. This was presented to him as such and he accepted them.  But I do think that Dredg does have a "right" to be here, but in prog-related. This is no-more prog than Muse, dEUS etc...
 


So you only know Catch Without Arms ... that makes you a "dredg n00b". Before you decide that they belong in prog-related, shouldn't you try to find out whether the album is their most prog one? If you did you'd realize that it's in fact their least prog album ...
 
Is this really the case?
 
 
You might have a point here, but it does not take the U2 sound away.
 
 
Notice that I don't dislike the album either.
 
 
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dredg is staying in Art Rock, folks. In the future eclectic or crossover. Wink
 
and I do partially speak like an impressed dredg fan.
 
but I also find that it's mature modern prog, alternative music isn't anymore a rumor inside prog, there are bands that speak it like a fact; and hardcore?! pur-eeaase...Wink
 
so to say, Way Out Of Here by PT just gives me the impression of a dredg's Sanzen or so...
 
Catch Without Arms is the worst and most commercial example for which to head into saying that dredg just punched in some music. they extended previously from hard-tone to experimental, conceptual, emotional and so...
 
 


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From what I heard so far....................I hear U2.Embarrassed
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Originally posted by Ricochet Ricochet wrote:

dredg is staying in Art Rock, folks. In the future eclectic or crossover. Wink
 
and I do partially speak like an impressed dredg fan.
 
but I also find that it's mature modern prog, alternative music isn't anymore a rumor inside prog, there are bands that speak it like a fact; and hardcore?! pur-eeaase...Wink
 
so to say, Way Out Of Here by PT just gives me the impression of a dredg's Sanzen or so...
 
Catch Without Arms is the worst and most commercial example for which to head into saying that dredg just punched in some music. they extended previously from hard-tone to experimental, conceptual, emotional and so...
 
 
 
OK, OK, Ok, Accepted!!!!SleepyTongue I will retrieve this review altogether.Wink
 
Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

From what I heard so far....................I hear U2.Embarrassed
 
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Done!! Thumbs%20Up unfortunately the rating I can't do away with.
 
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Another insulting review from Teaflax - now I'm a pimply fanboy. I don't mind if he doesn't like this or anything else, but why can't he criticise an album withouth insulting those who do like it?
 
RUSH — 2112
Review by Teaflax (John Thelin)

1%20stars That this embarrassment of an album is highly praised by anyone who is not a Metal and Sci Fi-obsessed pimply teenage fanboy is simply inexplicable. It's full of pointless pretention and ludicrous concepts together with some of the worst singwriting Rush have ever committed to vinyl. Yes, this is defintiely where Prog Rush was born, but all the problems of that particular period - and they are legion - are here in full force; heavy-handed experimentation side by side with tired cliché, ludicrously high intellectual ambitions entirely unmet and laughable philosophizing with all the depth of a sun-dried puddle.

The Prog period that this ushered in was definitely better on these counts, but this is obviously a faltering step into that area with heart (and brain) still firmly in Hard Rock territory. I believe Rush got better the more they moved away from both these aspects; the stiff virtuosity of their Prog style as well the hackneyed Hard Rock that they started out with, and there's really nothing *but* these two aspects on this album.

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Another insulting review from Teaflax - now I'm a pimply fanboy. I don't mind if he doesn't like this or anything else, but why can't he criticise an album withouth insulting those who do like it?
 
RUSH — 2112
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1%20stars That this embarrassment of an album is highly praised by anyone who is not a Metal and Sci Fi-obsessed pimply teenage fanboy is simply inexplicable. It's full of pointless pretention and ludicrous concepts together with some of the worst singwriting Rush have ever committed to vinyl. Yes, this is defintiely where Prog Rush was born, but all the problems of that particular period - and they are legion - are here in full force; heavy-handed experimentation side by side with tired cliché, ludicrously high intellectual ambitions entirely unmet and laughable philosophizing with all the depth of a sun-dried puddle.

The Prog period that this ushered in was definitely better on these counts, but this is obviously a faltering step into that area with heart (and brain) still firmly in Hard Rock territory. I believe Rush got better the more they moved away from both these aspects; the stiff virtuosity of their Prog style as well the hackneyed Hard Rock that they started out with, and there's really nothing *but* these two aspects on this album.

So, this is one for completionists, Hard rockers or Objectivists. Not for anyone else

 
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Erik, you must know I love 2112, it was on my turntable for much of my teendom. I was 13 when this came out and read my review to see how important this album is/was to me...... But you have to accept other views. And I regalled myself reading Teaflax's often well written and up to the point reviews
 
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1%20stars That this embarrassment of an album is highly praised by anyone who is not a Metal and Sci Fi-obsessed pimply teenage fanboy is simply inexplicable. It's full of pointless pretention and ludicrous concepts together with some of the worst songwriting Rush have ever committed to vinyl >> beg to differ but a valid opinionGeek but I think Caress Of Steel is much worse. Yes, this is defintiely where Prog Rush was born, but all the problems of that particular period - and they are legion - are here in full force; heavy-handed experimentation side by side with tired cliché, ludicrously high intellectual ambitions entirely unmet and laughable philosophizing with all the depth of a sun-dried puddle. LOL>>> fantastic I loveTeaflax.Clap In some ways this is exactly very true.

The Prog period that this ushered in was definitely better on these counts, but this is obviously a faltering step into that area with heart (and brain) still firmly in Hard Rock territory >> Not sure where he's going with this sentence, though. I believe Rush got better the more they moved away from both these aspects; the stiff virtuosity of their Prog style as well the hackneyed Hard Rock that they started out with, and there's really nothing *but* these two aspects on this album. >> there is nothing I can really object to. I find this review perfectly acceptable. Even if I love 2112.

 
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Watch out for Bacamarte - Depois do Fim new reviews. There are 7 new reviews (out of the 50 new reviews) giving five star to it and the users reviewed only Bacamarte (but one that reviewed bacamarte and one pf album).  Probably review spamming.

http://www.progarchives.com/Review.asp?id=120602
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Thanks Hugues

They do hve U2 influence but it's influence not ripping off. I don;t see much of a similarity in vocals though, Gavin has a unique voice that's IMO much beter than Bono.

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Thanks Hugues >> no probs, I take you guys' words seriously enough to admit that I can be wrong, having heard only one album, and unfortunately the least prog one...CryWink

They do hve U2 influence but it's influence not ripping off. I don;t see much of a similarity in vocals though, Gavin has a unique voice that's IMO much beter than Bono. >> You will admit that CWA is damn close to U2, even down the drumming. I actually like U2 from The Unfortgettable Fire until Actung Baby! They were one of the better 80's band, IMHOThumbs%20Up

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Originally posted by The Whistler The Whistler wrote:

Well, since my original question has been forgotten by time and space, I'll add a new one.

Can one delete one's own reviews? Not simply edit, but utterly remove?


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Another insulting review from Teaflax - now I'm a pimply fanboy. I don't mind if he doesn't like this or anything else, but why can't he criticise an album withouth insulting those who do like it?
 
RUSH — 2112
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1%20stars That this embarrassment of an album is highly praised by anyone who is not a Metal and Sci Fi-obsessed pimply teenage fanboy is simply inexplicable. It's full of pointless pretention and ludicrous concepts together with some of the worst singwriting Rush have ever committed to vinyl. Yes, this is defintiely where Prog Rush was born, but all the problems of that particular period - and they are legion - are here in full force; heavy-handed experimentation side by side with tired cliché, ludicrously high intellectual ambitions entirely unmet and laughable philosophizing with all the depth of a sun-dried puddle.

The Prog period that this ushered in was definitely better on these counts, but this is obviously a faltering step into that area with heart (and brain) still firmly in Hard Rock territory. I believe Rush got better the more they moved away from both these aspects; the stiff virtuosity of their Prog style as well the hackneyed Hard Rock that they started out with, and there's really nothing *but* these two aspects on this album.

So, this is one for completionists, Hard rockers or Objectivists. Not for anyone else

 
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Erik, you must know I love 2112, it was on my turntable for much of my teendom. I was 13 when this came out and read my review to see how important this album is/was to me...... But you have to accept other views. And I regalled myself reading Teaflax's often well written and up to the point reviews
 
RUSH — 2112
Review by Teaflax (John Thelin)

1%20stars That this embarrassment of an album is highly praised by anyone who is not a Metal and Sci Fi-obsessed pimply teenage fanboy is simply inexplicable. It's full of pointless pretention and ludicrous concepts together with some of the worst songwriting Rush have ever committed to vinyl >> beg to differ but a valid opinionGeek but I think Caress Of Steel is much worse. Yes, this is defintiely where Prog Rush was born, but all the problems of that particular period - and they are legion - are here in full force; heavy-handed experimentation side by side with tired cliché, ludicrously high intellectual ambitions entirely unmet and laughable philosophizing with all the depth of a sun-dried puddle. LOL>>> fantastic I loveTeaflax.Clap In some ways this is exactly very true.

The Prog period that this ushered in was definitely better on these counts, but this is obviously a faltering step into that area with heart (and brain) still firmly in Hard Rock territory >> Not sure where he's going with this sentence, though. I believe Rush got better the more they moved away from both these aspects; the stiff virtuosity of their Prog style as well the hackneyed Hard Rock that they started out with, and there's really nothing *but* these two aspects on this album. >> there is nothing I can really object to. I find this review perfectly acceptable. Even if I love 2112.

 
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It is not Teaflax's reviews of the music I have a problem with, but it is the way he takes pot-shots at certain demographics. I have rarely read a review of his that does not do this and he seemingly does it to provoke a knee-jerk reaction.
 
Here's a fairly diabolical review of the new Rush album too:
 
RUSH — Snakes & Arrows
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5%20stars j HAD TIME I THOUGHT THAT RUSH WAS AT THE END OF THEIR RUN,YEARS AND YEARS TRYING TO SEARCH SOME NEW "RUSH" STYLE ALL AROUND.....nO WAY,BUT...SURPRISE,AND TIME IS FULL OF SURPRISES THEY'RE BACK!!!sNAKES AND ARROWS IS THEIR BEST WORK SINCE "EMISPHERES" A SIMPLE MASTERPIECE,A PERFECT FUSION BETWEEN RYTHM,MELODY,AND WORDS.hAVING TIME ENOUGH TO LISTEN IT TWICE AND MAYBE THREE TIMES IS AN EXPERIENCE.AND MAYBE A TARGET.THIS IS STILL A GREAT SOUND,SOMEONE OTHERS HAS A LOT OF MILES TO DRIVE!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 5 STARS



Edited by salmacis - May 03 2007 at 06:59
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Originally posted by Sean Trane Sean Trane wrote:

Originally posted by Atkingani Atkingani wrote:

bogas had become gas... Tongue
 
 
Guigo
 
Are you becoming violentShocked??
 
Sending people into oblivion and beating them to a pulp so much that they transform in a Gaseous state?TongueLOL
 
Not gaseous but Ethereal... Big%20smile
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