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JJLehto 
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 Posted: April 29 2007 at 22:00 |
 moreitsythanyou wrote:
JJLehto wrote:
moreitsythanyou wrote:
rileydog22 wrote:
I thought primaries were decided by members of the party rather than the voting public. I could be totally wrong, though. |
I thought it was the voters who were registered under the party, but I don't know well either. |
Yes, the people registered with that party, is who votes in the primaries.
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Then can you register for a party to vote in the primaries if you'll be 18 for the actual election? |
That I'm not sure about...I waited till I was 18. I THINK you can do that though.
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rileydog22
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Posted: April 29 2007 at 22:19 |
JJLehto wrote:
I heard some countries have proportional voting. I think that might help 3rd parties a little....
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Just about every system is fairer than plurality in elections with more than 2 candidates, but unfortunately, no perfect voting system exists. Arrow showed that there is no possible voting system that avoids Condersat WInners and other things that keep college professors up at night. Personally, I think that systems like proportional voting and vote-transfer systems to be to complex to ever get instated in the US (America likes simple systems they can understand), and ordered or tiered systems like Hare voting are simply unfair, as often a simple change in the voting order can change the outcomes. The Borda count system is simple and more fair to those outside the two main parties than plurality, so that's what I would like to see installed in the nation. Unfortunately, it probably will never happen, as the United States seems to love its electoral plurality system. The electoral system is really stupid, as the results of the election can be changed by the geographic distribution of voters.
Edited by rileydog22 - April 29 2007 at 22:28
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JJLehto
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Posted: April 29 2007 at 22:21 |
rileydog22 wrote:
JJLehto wrote:
I heard some countries have proportional voting. I think that might help 3rd parties a little....
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Just about every system is fairer than plurality, but Arrow showed that there is no absolutely perfect voting system that avoids Condersat WInners and other things that keep college professors up at night.
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Of course, but as you said better than the person who got 50.1 % winning it all (or even just a plurality). And the electoral college... I hate it.
How about Mike Gravel?
I joked about him being the 78 year old guy from Alaska who's been out of the job for 30 years....but I looked up his positions and like him.
Go GRAVEL!
Edited by JJLehto - April 29 2007 at 22:31
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stonebeard
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Posted: April 29 2007 at 22:38 |
JJLehto wrote:
rileydog22 wrote:
JJLehto wrote:
I heard some countries have proportional voting. I think that might help 3rd parties a little....
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Just about every system is fairer than plurality, but Arrow showed that there is no absolutely perfect voting system that avoids Condersat WInners and other things that keep college professors up at night.
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Of course, but as you said better than the person who got 50.1 % winning it all (or even just a plurality). And the electoral college... I hate it.
How about Mike Gravel?
I joked about him being the 78 year old guy from Alaska who's been out of the job for 30 years....but I looked up his positions and like him.
Go GRAVEL! |
He's got balls. Better than Pantsuit Clinton by any means.
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JJLehto
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Posted: April 29 2007 at 22:44 |
 He's a crazy old man alright, but he does have balls.
I'd vote for him or Kucinich no doubt, if only they could somehow make it. Would take a miracle though.
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BroSpence
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Posted: April 30 2007 at 21:52 |
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I thought this was pretty funny. I love when fellow left-of-center thinkers claim to love McCain because he's more moderate and almost a "liberal" when compared to other conservatives. bzzzzzzzzzzzzt wrong.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ioy90nF2anI
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Ghandi 2
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Posted: April 30 2007 at 23:17 |
Yikes, Gravel is scary.
As for McCain, let's hear it for video editing!
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darksinger
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Posted: May 01 2007 at 07:37 |
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i'm voting for me...
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marktheshark
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Posted: May 01 2007 at 10:38 |
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If there's any Dem worth anything it's Bill Richardson. As a Rep, even I like him. He seems pretty genuine and reasonable and doesn't subscribe to a bunch of that far left kook crap. And he's pretty conservative fiscally too. The rest of the Dems are just a bunch of hypocritical socialist phonies.
As for the current Rep lineup, I'm not too sure about any of them either. McCain is too 2 faced. Rudy doesn't have much experience in fed government. Romney's not too bad and Newt is a little too conservative even for me.
However, I want to keep my eye on Fred Thompson. He may be just right, but I don't know where he stands on things.
Edited by marktheshark - May 01 2007 at 10:43
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cookieacquired
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Posted: May 01 2007 at 10:41 |
Bill is pretty good, but most of the dems I would never vote for
I think Rudy could run the show though, so he's my vote
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Padraic
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Posted: May 01 2007 at 13:03 |
marktheshark wrote:
However, I want to keep my eye on Fred Thompson. He may be just right, but I don't know where he stands on things. |
From what I understand, he's solidly conservative about pretty much every single issue - the one thing conservatives ding him on is support of McCain/Feingold campaign finance reform.
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JJLehto
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Posted: May 01 2007 at 13:25 |
NEWT! I forgot him....
 Personally, I sure hope he dosn't get the nod. I think he's a longshot, but I just really hope not.
And I'm impressed by Romney...looks like he may be the current frontrunner, or at least up there with McCain and Giuliani.
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King of Loss
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Posted: May 01 2007 at 18:03 |
It doesn't really matter, because either way, its pretty much going to remain the same, except if we get out of Iraq.
On the note of Romney, he's just a cocksucking motherf**ker, who did absolutely nothing as governor of Massachusetts. And used his "sex appeal" in his ads for governor.... And my opinions of other Republicans... Ok....
The Democrats don't do much for me anyways. I hate Hillary and Obama is not experienced enough to be President. Edwards is just a big Southern w**ker.
Basically, it comes up to my choice of Green Party or not voting. Pretty much shows how much the Left is represented in America. Other than Bernie Sanders, the representation is minimal.
Edited by King of Loss - May 01 2007 at 18:04
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JJLehto
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Posted: May 01 2007 at 18:26 |
Ah yea, the "big game hunter"
I really am surprised with Obama still. I mean, he looks and sounds good, but TWO years in the Senate???
Dosn't quite sit well with me.
And everyone here has been negelcting a candidate....Chris Dodd!
Edited by JJLehto - May 01 2007 at 18:35
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Forgotten Son
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Posted: May 03 2007 at 11:52 |
marktheshark wrote:
...doesn't subscribe to a bunch of that far left kook crap...The rest of the Dems are just a bunch of hypocritical socialist phonies. |
The majority of Democrats can in no way be described as entertaining "far left" ideology (I think describing such ideologies as "kook crap" is rather offensive, unless you'd be willing to specify what "kook crap" specifically refers to) nor can they be said to be socialists, unless the "phonies" refers to the fact that they pretend to be socialist, of which I've seen little evidence. This Gravel chap sounds interesting, though I doubt he has a chance.
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JJLehto
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Posted: May 03 2007 at 12:36 |
Forgotten Son wrote:
marktheshark wrote:
...doesn't subscribe to a bunch of that far left kook crap...The rest of the Dems are just a bunch of hypocritical socialist phonies. |
The majority of Democrats can in no way be described as entertaining "far left" ideology (I think describing such ideologies as "kook crap" is rather offensive, unless you'd be willing to specify what "kook crap" specifically refers to) nor can they be said to be socialists, unless the "phonies" refers to the fact that they pretend to be socialist, of which I've seen little evidence.
This Gravel chap sounds interesting, though I doubt he has a chance.
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Gravel's got NOOO chance in hell. Which is a shame because like always, I think he's probably the best.
And the Democrats are, as you said, NOT socialist. Especially since Clinton....
they are becoming Republican Lite!
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King of Loss
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Posted: May 03 2007 at 21:41 |
JJLehto wrote:
Forgotten Son wrote:
marktheshark wrote:
...doesn't subscribe to a bunch of that far left kook crap...The rest of the Dems are just a bunch of hypocritical socialist phonies. |
The majority of Democrats can in no way be described as entertaining "far left" ideology (I think describing such ideologies as "kook crap" is rather offensive, unless you'd be willing to specify what "kook crap" specifically refers to) nor can they be said to be socialists, unless the "phonies" refers to the fact that they pretend to be socialist, of which I've seen little evidence.
This Gravel chap sounds interesting, though I doubt he has a chance.
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Gravel's got NOOO chance in hell. Which is a shame because like always, I think he's probably the best.
And the Democrats are, as you said, NOT socialist. Especially since Clinton....
they are becoming Republican Lite! |
Its funny that someone would call some of the Democrats even remotely socialists.
True Socialists would not be promoting the War in Iraq, would not flip-flop or promote Capitalist programs that some of these so called "lefties" do.
On another hand, there are some Democrats that should actually be Republicans, due to their stances. As I've said before, the differences between most of the Republicans and Democrats are so small that I really can not tell the difference.
The true lack of a third party in the United States really does not help our nation at all.
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thellama73
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Posted: May 03 2007 at 21:43 |
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I will be voting for Libertarian underdog, Ron Paul. Check him out! He is awesome.
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JJLehto
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Posted: May 03 2007 at 22:30 |
I saw an interview of him on Bill Maher.
He was pretty damn Libertarian....
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stonebeard
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Posted: May 03 2007 at 22:47 |
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I dunno. I really don't think we should just pull out of Iraq, at least not now. There's still a chance I think. If things get a whole lot worse, then OK, but we can still do it, I think.
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