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Dick Heath 
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Jazz-Rock Specialist Joined: April 19 2004 Location: England Status: Offline Points: 12813 |
 Posted: April 27 2007 at 11:37 |
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[QUOTE=RoyalJelly]I haven't heard Buckethead's solo music, but I can say this. He
played on the last album of the greatest drummer of all time, Tony Williams. The group is called Arcana, it's a Bill Laswell project he did with Tony, the album is called "Arc of the Testimony", Tony Williams died just after it was released. It has a Crimsonesque feel to it, but with Pharoah Sanders saxaphone it has an unbelievably sublime, spiritual ambience. QUOTE] As it happens, KC cover a Pharoah Sanders track on the KCCC issue Live At Summit Studios, Denver.
BTW One Buckethead album up at least in PA, under Jonas Hellborg's name : Octave Of the Holy Innocents - one of the best jazz rock fusion albums of the 90's IMHO.
Bill Laswell's name comes a number of times associated with Buckethead - e.g. check out the v difficult to define music of Praxis.
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Yontar
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Joined: September 07 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 131 |
Posted: April 27 2007 at 09:36 |
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i own some material of his and it is very much prog. I mean in my opinion avant-garde is basically the same as prog or at least the way he does it is. He has a completely unique style and plays some of the most outrageous solos i have ever heard. Buckethead freaking owns!
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FruMp
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Joined: September 16 2005 Location: Australia Status: Offline Points: 322 |
Posted: April 27 2007 at 02:44 |
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hahaha nice comparison! I think it's just people assosciate him with negative things, like if I say buckethead to one of my friends they'll be like 'oh he's that mindless shredder guy' because they've probably heard about him or seen some video on youtube. |
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william314159
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Joined: March 24 2007 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 144 |
Posted: April 26 2007 at 23:21 |
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i dont understand the prejudice towards buckethead
is it because he played in G&R?
70's genesis played in 80's genesis
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Prayermad
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Joined: December 25 2006 Location: Sweden Status: Offline Points: 138 |
Posted: April 26 2007 at 14:27 |
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I think he is very prog and avant-garde. He is also one of my all-time favourite guitarists. I voted yes.
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FruMp
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Joined: September 16 2005 Location: Australia Status: Offline Points: 322 |
Posted: April 26 2007 at 14:22 |
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Buckethead's music is definately progressive, I think there is a tendency for people to stereotype any music assosciated with 'shred' or 'shredders' as being simplistic and dull.
Listen to Buckethead's music without prejudice - then make an informed decision on whether you think he is progressive. |
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Tony R
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Posted: April 23 2007 at 18:40 |
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I think he has already been approved.
Try contacting The Progtologist or Geck0
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Chris H
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Joined: October 08 2006 Location: Charlotte, NC Status: Offline Points: 8191 |
Posted: April 23 2007 at 17:34 |
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Uh, yes?
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Beauty will save the world.
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Fight Club
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Joined: May 21 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 572 |
Posted: April 23 2007 at 17:31 |
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You read what I wrote?
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Chris H
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Joined: October 08 2006 Location: Charlotte, NC Status: Offline Points: 8191 |
Posted: April 23 2007 at 17:26 |
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'Twas true though.
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Beauty will save the world.
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Fight Club
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Joined: May 21 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 572 |
Posted: April 23 2007 at 17:25 |
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That wasn't nice...
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Chris H
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Joined: October 08 2006 Location: Charlotte, NC Status: Offline Points: 8191 |
Posted: April 23 2007 at 17:13 |
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Yeah, he will belong here when hell freezes over and a flock of flying pigs hit the side of an airplane...
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Beauty will save the world.
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Fight Club
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Joined: May 21 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 572 |
Posted: April 23 2007 at 17:11 |
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He should definately be added to the site. There are many bands/artists on here who are less progressive than Buckethead, particularly a lot of prog metal artists. Look at the criteria for being progressive! "Long compositions, sometimes running over 20 minutes, with intricate melodies and harmonies that require repeated listening to grasp."
Buckethead has a good amount of EPICS. Just look at his new (and extremely ambitious) collection he released of 13 albums. 18 of the songs clock at over 10 minutes and one of them is over 40 minutes! They all include massive amounts of improvisation, and lots of jazz/fusion integreation and/or influence
"Progressive rock was largely a European movement, and drew most of its influences from classical music and jazz fusion"
"Lyrics that convey intricate and sometimes impenetrable narratives, covering such themes as science fiction, fantasy, history, religion, war, love, and madness."
Many of Buckethead's lyrical albums incorporate the weirdest and most impenetrable narratives found not only in prog, but anywhere. Definately cover science fiction themes (he is extremely fond of robots, monsters, space, etc.) Obviously fantasy, as many songs include battles between mythical creatures and other things of that nature. Clearly war and madness are a common lyrical/musical theme as well.
"Concept albums, in which a theme or storyline is explored throughout an entire album in a manner similar to a film or a play."
If anyone has a doubt about this listen to Bucketheadland, Giant Robot or any of Buckethead's other lyrical albums. They all tell stories, and though they may make little sense, they are stories nonetheless. Even Buckethead's most classic style prog album, Population Override is an instrumental concept album, like Camel's The Snow Goose. It continuously has an underlining theme of well... population override. There's no doubt that Buckethead has used the concept album formular quite often.
"Unusual vocal styles and use of multi-part vocal harmonies."
Half of the vocals that appear in Buckethead's music are strange and robotic often inhuman. No matter what way you look at it, the vocals on Buckethead albums are very different from those appearing in modern rock/pop.
"Prominent use of electronic instrumentation"
Buckethead often incorporates synthesizers into his music. Population Override is a prime example of this with it's extended synth solos, very similar to the classic prog style we all know and love.
"Use of unusual time signatures, scales, or tunings"
I am not sure how much time signature changing Buckethead uses, but he's used just about every odd scale one can think of. He's used scales ranging everywhere from standard to middle eastern style being able to touch on almost every style of music, making him more versatile than most prog musicians. If prog isn't about constantly changing and evolving then I guess I don't know anything.
Honestly the least we could do is add him to Prog Related. No one can say artists like The Doors and Blue Oyster Cult are more varied and progressive than Buckethead. One may not enjoy his music, and may find him a joke, but the truth is at one point or another he has touched the genre of prog.
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Manunkind
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Joined: February 02 2005 Location: Poland Status: Offline Points: 2373 |
Posted: November 07 2005 at 13:47 |
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"In war there is no time to teach or learn Zen. Carry a strong stick. Bash your attackers." - Zen Master Ikkyu Sojun
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Manunkind
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Joined: February 02 2005 Location: Poland Status: Offline Points: 2373 |
Posted: November 07 2005 at 13:43 |
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But so is Fred Frith, for example, and AFAIK only his work with Henry Cow is considered prog here... |
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"In war there is no time to teach or learn Zen. Carry a strong stick. Bash your attackers." - Zen Master Ikkyu Sojun
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TheProgtologist
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Honorary Collaborator / Retired Admin Joined: May 23 2005 Location: Baltimore,Md US Status: Offline Points: 27802 |
Posted: November 07 2005 at 07:49 |
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I was wondering when you were going to answer |
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MikeEnRegalia
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Posted: November 07 2005 at 07:47 |
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Yeah.
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TheProgtologist
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Posted: November 07 2005 at 06:41 |
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YES
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NutterAlert
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Joined: June 07 2005 Location: In transition Status: Offline Points: 2808 |
Posted: November 07 2005 at 06:37 |
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dunno about the music but impressive head gear.
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Proud to be an un-banned member since 2005
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RoyalJelly
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Joined: September 29 2005 Status: Offline Points: 582 |
Posted: November 07 2005 at 05:53 |
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I haven't heard Buckethead's solo music, but I can say this. He
played on the last album of the greatest drummer of all time, Tony Williams. The group is called Arcana, it's a Bill Laswell project he did with Tony, the album is called "Arc of the Testimony", Tony Williams died just after it was released. It has a Crimsonesque feel to it, but with Pharoah Sanders saxaphone it has an unbelievably sublime, spiritual ambience. And Buckethead just shreds all over it, it's definitely what one would refer to here as "essential, a prog masterpiece". I think the album may sadly be out of print, but any one who played on that, they should roll out the red carpet for on this website. |
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why does so much of the best stuff have to be so difficult to get ones hands on?
