Andrew Lloyd Webber...

Andrew Loyd Webber and Tim Rice's Jesus Chrus Superstar  is a masterpiece of rock music. Didn't like their other efforts, altough Evita (original recording) has its moments. His Requiem with Domingo is good too. The rest is broadway crap.

lpd42 wrote: Webber's work with jim steinman, dance of the vampires (based on the roman polanski film) is definately worth a listen. And come on, Overature from Jesus Christ Superstar (the original studio-recorded rock-opera, not the film soundtrack) is an essential prog track. It's sinister, creepy vibe makes it a highlight as far as the darker side of the genre. The rest of that original double album is pretty good too, much better than the billions of recordings of it that have come since. (I've always said Mekanik Destructiw Kommandoh, one of my prog faves, is part Carmina Burana, part Jesus Christ Superstar!) most everything else ALW has done, however, I do agree isn't that good.

OK.

So, I've a very liberal policy on what constitutes prog, so I'm not gonna argue any works "prog-worthyness".

But:

I know Andrew Lloyd Webber's work. What I've heard (My mom is a huge fan, sigh) JCS, Evita, Phantom of the Opera, Joseph and his ATD, Cats...Its utter hackwork. Musical garbage. The lowest common denominator of musical theater. What utter "squares" think rock/compelling music is.

Now couple this with Jim Steinman. The man responsible for Meat Loaf's Bat Out Of Hell, and subsequent sequels...true dreck.

Now, I've never heard this "Dance of the Vampires" you speak of...and quite frankly...good.

What an utterly unholy combo.

I don't care if Jesus/Mohammed/Buddah/Xenu himself appeared before me and commanded me to listen to this...

Good lord people, have you no shame?

Nipsey88 wrote: But:I know Andrew Lloyd Webber's work. What I've heard (My mom is a huge fan, sigh) JCS, Evita, Phantom of the Opera, Joseph and his ATD, Cats...Its utter hackwork. Musical garbage. The lowest common denominator of musical theater.

Well, the last phrase is right, at least.

I wouldn't put JCS into the same brackets as the rest - you're just biased because your mom likes it.

And you haven't even mentioned the Variations - the single work that is in the archives - which is a Prog Rock masterpiece of the highest order.[/quote]

Nipsey88 wrote: What utter "squares" think rock/compelling music is.Now couple this with Jim Steinman. The man responsible for Meat Loaf's Bat Out Of Hell, and subsequent sequels...true dreck.

Again, you finally said something true - the sequels to Bat... were appalling and got worse, but Bat... is quite magnificent.

Again, Steinman was a writer of musicals, and, while many look down on this genre (quite rightly, in my opinion), that is not to say that everything that comes from it is rubbish.

It depends on how you are measuring it - but you don't qualify any of your statements, which drags them down several levels of significance.


    

Edited by Certif1ed - November 23 2006 at 03:58

If Waters sued everybody who'd ever borrowed from Pink Floyd's back catalogue, he'd be a very wealthy man - and the world would be down a large number of very good bands - notably in the Krautrock genre.

^JCS is the first proper rock opera, and the version with Gillan playing Jesus is the best, IMO - it sounds more like a Prog Rock album than it sounds like a musical or an opera.

Edited by Certif1ed - April 26 2007 at 03:07

I must confess, I don't know that one...

Roger Waters is right on this, I also noticed this plagiaris some time ago,and I wondered whether any legal action was taken because  of it.