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    Posted: April 21 2007 at 04:38

This thread is regarding the allocation of a budget to specific components of our hi-fi system.

For those of us who value sound quality equally as important as our music I wish to recommend an excellent tome that was brought to my attention on another forum. The book in question being “The Complete Guide To High-End Hi-Fi” by Robert Harley.

 

Whilst perusing this superb book, which many consider to be the Hi-Fi enthusiast’s bible, I came across the section regarding allocation of costs when choosing your system. He recommends the following budget for a system based on the source component being a CD player. Please note that his figures are just that, a recommendation, and NOT set in stone.

 

Pre-amplifier                    20 %

Power Amplifier               20 %

Digital Source                   13 %

Loudspeakers                     40 %

Cable / Interconnects            7 %

 

My figures are as follows:

 

Pre-amplifier                    16 %

Power Amplifier               31 %

Digital Source                   15 %

Loudspeakers                     31 %

Cable / Interconnects            7 %

 

My figures are fairly close to his recommendation, being determined by many factors, although my system was built prior to reading the book.

So, dear users, what are your approximate percentages? If you have more than one source, and I’m sure many of you will have, include them as well. I think, for the sake of argument that stands / isolation platforms should be included in the cables / interconnects figure, as I have done with mine.
Also, please omit any modern digital stuff such as mp3 players/pods etc.

 

As you can see I have omitted costs. This is for two reasons. Firstly, it’s not relevant as we are talking about proportional figures. Secondly, it will eliminate any pre-conceived notions regarding the relative quality of the kit.

 

And please note – this is just a light-hearted exercise – just a bit of fun.



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 21 2007 at 04:50
I can't put it in percentage like that. but I'd say, the gear that has the biggest impact on the sound signature are the loud speakers, or headphones if you like. not saying you necesary has fork out most money for them, but I believe this is the area where you have to choose carefully.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 21 2007 at 04:53

Daniel - how come? Don't you know how much your kit was?

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 21 2007 at 05:07
okies, just for a bit of fun, here we go

Pre-amplifier                    20 %

Power Amplifier               20 %

Digital Source                   13 %

Loudspeakers                     40 %

Cable / Interconnects            7 %


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Mine (omitting heaphones/HPamp and turntable), speaker stands are included in cables:

Intergrated Amplifier   46%

Digital Source          14%

Bookshelf Speakers      18%   

Cables/interconnects    22%



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 21 2007 at 06:25
oh sorry, I thought that these figures were a recommendation on how to spend!

but anyway. I've kind of forgot how much to spend on each part. although it's not really old, the turntable I got 5 years ago, and the other stuff is a newer.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 21 2007 at 15:20
Originally posted by Black Velvet Black Velvet wrote:

okies, just for a bit of fun, here we go

Pre-amplifier                    20 %

Power Amplifier               20 %

Digital Source                   13 %

Loudspeakers                     40 %

Cable / Interconnects            7 %


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Mine (omitting heaphones/HPamp and turntable), speaker stands are included in cables:

Intergrated Amplifier   46%

Digital Source          14%

Bookshelf Speakers      18%   

Cables/interconnects    22%





What about your new Nordost cables BTW?

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 22 2007 at 01:59
Originally posted by oliverstoned oliverstoned wrote:


What about your new Nordost cables BTW?


They arrived the day before yesterday. I have only really had one proper listen, which was late last night (may not have been totally alert). I'm failing to see the complaint about harshness; I was playing 1/3 octave band which is a very atonal album and I found it gave the sound a greater depth. It should be interesting to make note of further differences as I give them a solid listening. But on first remarks, they were definately worth the step up.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 22 2007 at 10:23
...are they new? If it's the case, there's a run-in period.
My Stefanaudio art headphones cable needed nearly 100 hours!!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 22 2007 at 11:26
Originally posted by oliverstoned oliverstoned wrote:

...are they new? If it's the case, there's a run-in period.
My Stefanaudio art headphones cable needed nearly 100 hours!!


yeah, and after 100 hours, do you remember how it originally sounded? nah, I thoght so.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 22 2007 at 15:07
Hmm...
 
Preamp 18%
Power 26%
CD 15%
Vinyl 26%
Speakers 10%
Cables 5%
 
Definitely the speakers need to be improved...
 
 


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 23 2007 at 03:28
Originally posted by NilsTentacles NilsTentacles wrote:

Originally posted by oliverstoned oliverstoned wrote:

...are they new? If it's the case, there's a run-in period.
My Stefanaudio art headphones cable needed nearly 100 hours!!


yeah, and after 100 hours, do you remember how it originally sounded? nah, I thoght so.



It rather that it's better and better hour after hour, it doesn't change suddently but progressively.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 23 2007 at 05:48
that's obvious, and just my point. I could perhaps tell a drastic change in sound, if the previous sound signture was something that I've gotten used to for several days of listening.

sorry. we're completely off topic again. another thread for burn-in related matters.
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Pre-amplifier                    20 %

Power Amplifier               20 %

Digital Source                   13 %

Loudspeakers                     40 %

Cable / Interconnects            7 %

 

My figures are as follows:

 

Pre-amplifier                    25 %

Power Amplifier               25 %

Digital Source                   40 %

Loudspeakers                     10 %

Cable / Interconnects            0 %  yeah...0

 

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Originally posted by Flyingsod Flyingsod wrote:

 

 

Cable / Interconnects            0 %  yeah...0

 

 
Freebies? Home-made? What do you use?


Edited by Glueman - April 30 2007 at 01:09
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 30 2007 at 03:46
Originally posted by Black Velvet Black Velvet wrote:

Originally posted by oliverstoned oliverstoned wrote:


What about your new Nordost cables BTW?


They arrived the day before yesterday. I have only really had one proper listen, which was late last night (may not have been totally alert). I'm failing to see the complaint about harshness; I was playing 1/3 octave band which is a very atonal album and I found it gave the sound a greater depth. It should be interesting to make note of further differences as I give them a solid listening. But on first remarks, they were definately worth the step up.


So what's new with the cables?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 30 2007 at 04:08
Taking into account, my experience with cables it has been an unfair contest been the Blue Haaven's and my old $40 specials, there was a big difference to be heard. They are showing an increase in clarity. One of the main appeasing factors is it takes much grain out of high end trebles. I think this might be because it brings the bass forward more.   
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 30 2007 at 04:26
Advice on hi-fi should be taken as  guide,  mains and signal interconnects are an extremely  important factor, no good units will perform well with cheap interconnects, by allocating only 7% to interconnects it seems Robert Harley could learn something new!   the signal source is also crucial, and decent mid-fi quality speakers can really shine with excellent source components, so....based on average market prices quality amps and speakers can be bought quite reasonably..
 
Cable / Interconnects          30 %
Digital Source                   25%   
Pre-amplifier   /                
Power Amplifier                25% 
 
Loudspeakers                    20%   
 
 
try reading this book...Wink
 
 
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 30 2007 at 05:47
Originally posted by mystic fred mystic fred wrote:

Advice on hi-fi should be taken as guide, mains and signal interconnects are an extremely important factor, no good units will perform well with cheap interconnects, by allocating only 7% to interconnects it seems Robert Harley could learn something new!   the signal source is also crucial, and decent mid-fi quality speakers can really shine with excellent source components, so....based on average market prices quality amps and speakers can be bought quite reasonably..

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I much agree with that. It does not mention vib-cancelling accesories and power filters.

Talking components, the most expensive elements are CD set up and preamplifier, whereas quality amps and speakers can be found at a fair price, as you say.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 30 2007 at 06:57
"It does not mention vib-cancelling accesories and power filters. "
 
these could be included in interconnect budget percentage...?
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 30 2007 at 07:11
Yes, let's call that "optimization"!
Do you own the book BTW?

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