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Gianthogweed
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Posted: April 26 2007 at 22:57 |
Spirit of prog: King Crimson
Sound of prog: Yes
Personality: Jethro Tull
Popularity: Pink Floyd
Compositional Quality: Genesis
I think those are the big 5.
I would include ELP for Showmanship, but they kind of burned out too quickly.
Edited by Gianthogweed - April 26 2007 at 22:59
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Atomic_Rooster
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Posted: April 26 2007 at 21:44 |
I don't know about Tales as a gem... talk about obtuse
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Dim
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Posted: April 26 2007 at 20:59 |
Fragile wrote:
[QUOTE=Ixtlan]Only YES reached the top of the mountain, as short-lived as it was.[/QUOTE
How was it short lived? Yes gave the prog world six gems;TYA,Fragile,Close to the Edge(the greatest music ever written) Tales,Relayer ,and Going for the One, hardly short lived.even Tormato in reflection was good, but not great.
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You are one of the smartest people I have ever met! The Yes album-going for the one are all albums that define Prog
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Fragile
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Posted: April 26 2007 at 20:25 |
[QUOTE=Ixtlan]Only YES reached the top of the mountain, as short-lived as it was.[/QUOTE
How was it short lived? Yes gave the prog world six gems;TYA,Fragile,Close to the Edge(the greatest music ever written) Tales,Relayer ,and Going for the One, hardly short lived.even Tormato in reflection was good, but not great.
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Atomic_Rooster
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Posted: April 26 2007 at 19:10 |
Anguiad wrote:
Even though I wasn't lucky enough to live in the golden era, I noticed seven bands through this site that fit nicely in the prog rock classic terms:
(in no particular order):
-Pink Floyd
-King Crimson
-Yes
-Jethro Tull
-Genesis
-Rush
-Emerson Lake & Palmer
These bands are the greatest ever, considered classics by everyone, but not loved by everyone.
There are ten more bands, not precisely classics, but important bands, in a way or another:
(no order again):
-Van Der Graaf Generator
-Camel
-Gentle Giant
-Porcupine Tree
-Frank Zappa
-Dream Theater
-Marillion
-Umm...I am not sure about the other three. Pehaps Can? Caravan? IQ? Flower Kings? Tool? It is your call, put your other three there. I am still a prog amateur.
So choose the one you like! One of the grand seven or from the other"ten". The one you choose is your favourite and not necessarily the best. ![](smileys/smiley1.gif) |
bahh. I'd put Gentle Giant in the top over Rush or Gentle Giant any day as far as classics go, but whatever
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william314159
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Posted: April 26 2007 at 18:34 |
Nickleback!!!
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clarke2001
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Posted: April 26 2007 at 16:15 |
Anguiad wrote:
Even though I wasn't lucky enough to live in the golden era, I noticed seven bands through this site that fit nicely in the prog rock classic terms:
(in no particular order):
-Pink Floyd
-King Crimson
-Yes
-Jethro Tull
-Genesis
-Rush
-Emerson Lake & Palmer
These bands are the greatest ever, considered classics by everyone, but not loved by everyone.
There are ten more bands, not precisely classics, but important bands, in a way or another:
(no order again):
-Van Der Graaf Generator
-Camel
-Gentle Giant
-Porcupine Tree
-Frank Zappa
-Dream Theater
-Marillion
-Umm...I am not sure about the other three. Pehaps Can? Caravan? IQ? Flower Kings? Tool? It is your call, put your other three there. I am still a prog amateur.
So choose the one you like! One of the grand seven or from the other"ten". The one you choose is your favourite and not necessarily the best. ![](smileys/smiley1.gif) |
Nice list. Three to add: Soft Machine, Magma and Gong...or Caravan. Or...
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Anguiad
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Posted: April 26 2007 at 15:04 |
Even though I wasn't lucky enough to live in the golden era, I noticed seven bands through this site that fit nicely in the prog rock classic terms:
(in no particular order):
-Pink Floyd
-King Crimson
-Yes
-Jethro Tull
-Genesis
-Rush
-Emerson Lake & Palmer
These bands are the greatest ever, considered classics by everyone, but not loved by everyone.
There are ten more bands, not precisely classics, but important bands, in a way or another:
(no order again):
-Van Der Graaf Generator
-Camel
-Gentle Giant
-Porcupine Tree
-Frank Zappa
-Dream Theater
-Marillion
-Umm...I am not sure about the other three. Pehaps Can? Caravan? IQ? Flower Kings? Tool? It is your call, put your other three there. I am still a prog amateur.
So choose the one you like! One of the grand seven or from the other"ten". The one you choose is your favourite and not necessarily the best.
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Atomic_Rooster
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Posted: April 20 2007 at 23:39 |
The definitive prog band would definitely be Supersonic Rainbow they're only the most awesome band ever assembled. They've got the writing skillz of Yes, Beefheart, and KC, with distinctive and provocative vocals and awesome heroics in the solo department. Plus, they all look awesome and are really hardcore awesome guys, I hang with them all the time, we sit around joking about how crappy all pop musicians are and how pretentious it is to call themselves artists, because there is nothing artistic about their music. Kool guys.
But really, KC
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Dim
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Posted: April 20 2007 at 18:30 |
I would leave it at in the court
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Floydoid
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Posted: April 20 2007 at 12:12 |
Norbert wrote:
many claim... Piper by Floyd as the first real prog album. |
I'd classify Piper as a psychedelic album rather than prog... only Interstellar Overdrive can really be considered to be a prog track... but then again psychedelia was the forerunner of prog.
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tuxon
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Posted: April 20 2007 at 04:33 |
King Crimson for progressiveness.
Yes for making it popular
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Norbert
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Posted: April 20 2007 at 02:59 |
It hardly can be narrowed down to one band. Maybe King Crimson, for making the first real prog album, but even that is debatable because many claim Freak out by Zappa or Piper by Floyd as the first real prog album.
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Losendos
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Posted: April 20 2007 at 01:30 |
My vote is for Yes .
I don't think Robert Fripp ever embraced the idea of prog and his avant gard ramblings were an embarrasment to prog lovers for the most part . Consider Moonchild or the second side of ITWOP . How can you explain away such crap?
Yes were not there at the start but I think from the first notes of The Yes Album that makes you take notice. Throw in the ethereal lyrics and Roger Dean artwork and they are through and through prog and still doing prog today.
Yes fully embraced the idea of prog (they were not afraid of being labelled ) and when they qere at their peak (1972 ) the music world was in awe. When they made Tales the prog enterprise began to collapse . Tales is the definitive album amongst proghaters . So Yes' peak is prog's heyday and their decline gives prog's enemies the ammunition they need. 1977 the excellent GFTO is the last year of a great era and In 1978 the poppish Tormato signals the death of the era.
They are not necessarily my favorite band but when people think prog they think first Yes and then 70s Genesis. Genesis identity has become murky over time but not Yes
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Froth
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Posted: April 19 2007 at 14:26 |
schizoid_man77 wrote:
I am a major yes fan and that is how I would define prog, they use weird time signatures, make 20 minuete, epic, layered songs, and they are all around musically talented. Despite they're lack of concept albums Yes (to me) is a definative prog band. |
Yes are the definative prog band. they define its successes and failures in equall measure.
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Philéas
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Posted: April 19 2007 at 09:48 |
King Crimson is my choice aswell.
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Certif1ed
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Posted: April 19 2007 at 09:04 |
It's interesting to note that most of the bands (and fans of the music) appeared to reject usage of the term "Progressive Rock" to describe the music at the very time that the definitive Prog Rock bands defined Prog Rock...
I think that Prog Rock became defined as the first wave came to an end, and people started rejecting it for the same reasons the original fans loved it - all the pretentiousness and pomp (GREAT!!!!).
Prog Rock in the late 1970s was a term used with a sneer - and still is, to some extent.
In other words, I don't think it was the bands as much as the audiences that defined Prog Rock - but, somewhat contrarily, to define what it is, you need to have a good understanding of the bands who were first associated with it.
King Crimson were (arguably, but consensually) first, so ITCOTK is what defines Prog Rock.
Everything else is relative to that seminal album.
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Soundscape42
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Posted: April 19 2007 at 08:57 |
Hello there,
I am a newbie as well although I have been investigating this website for some time. I do not have a hands down answer for definitive prog. I agree that the forerunners such as KC, Genesis, Yes, Floyd, GG, Zappa all offered something that defines what we now call progressive music. But whoever we nominate the father of prog was not attempting to create a new genre of music, they were attempting to embrace rock as an art form, and incorporate the best of all that was already holy within the music realm. The took a dash of classical, and helping of jazz, the beatles layering and psychedelia, folks ability to tell a story, mixed it with a cultural dialogue and spoke to topics that had never been expressed with words and music like mythology, politics, high fantasy, environmentalism, and created a pastiche that blew everyone's mind for years to come. It all comes down to defining prog rock, well the aforementioned bands are definitely at the roots of the system which spawned all of our favorite music, and influenced everything to come. So as many of them started within the same time frame it comes down to who caught your attention the most. For myself, I have to say Genesis caught my attention as soon as I heard them, and ITCOTCK was a mindblowing experience as well. But I am a youngun so all of these bands came as a result of a retrospect. I got to Genesis through Abacab, and King Crimson through ELP's From the Beginning, and Piper came as a result of discovering the Wall. So for many of us, probably the definitive prog band was the first band we researched...and here I return to Genesis.
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raindance2007
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Posted: April 19 2007 at 07:26 |
Probably Gentle Giant. Complex and Catchy. Strong song writing.10 years
of excellence. I think Crimson are way off the mark. I can only find
about 7 or 8 strong songs between the albums In the court of the
crimson king, Lizard, Islands, Larks, Red and Starless. That's 6 whole
albums with an average of 1-2 strong songs on each and the occasional
cool song. Poseidon is the classic which I love, but the other 6
are just solid albums and not much more. The band weren't even around in
the 2nd half of the 70s either.
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White Shadow
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Posted: April 19 2007 at 00:59 |
Ixtlan wrote:
Here's a good analogy:
YES is the Neil Armstrong of prog bands, the rest are airplane pilots! ![](smileys/smiley2.gif) |
I think that was a sh*tty analogy
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