Lists with a twist!

10 best Krautrock

Jane- Fire Water Earth& Air

Grobschnitt- Solar Music Live

Klaus Schulze- Audentity

Nue!- First album

Hoelderlin-clouds & Clowns

GuruGuru- Dance Of The Flames

GuruGuru- UFO

Octopus- Boat Of Thoughts

Amon Duul II- Made In Germany

Grobshnitt- Volle Molle

Well that`s my list. The German stuff I listen to the most.

Dick Heath wrote: threefates wrote:   I loved the orchestral PAAE also, but I love ELP's version better... Meant to ask what do you make of PAAE as Mussourski's originally wrote, ie.e as a piano piece - good old Ravel did the best known orchestral transcription I believe?

Yes, I also prefer Ravel's version.. and I believe Keith used Ravel's version as his inspiration.  I can still remember the first time I saw the shorter version performed as an encore on the BSS tour.  It was like a preview of heaven for me.. and at the time Greg could still waiver up to that high note on the end.  Truly amazing!!

just to add a little bit of emphasis to maani's point (as always, well done!)

if you enjoy the sound of the nylon-string classical guitar, keep in mind that any piece of classical music written before the 20th century had to be adapted to the instrument; many in the classical realm refused to even consider the guitar anything but an ethnic folk instrument before the efforts of Segovia (who, in turn, myopically considered the electric guitar an 'abomination'). It is through these variations of arrangement that the music retains its vitality- most classical music was never meant to be an affectation of the upper class and intellectuals and many of our most cherished works have enjoyed many popular interpretations. Emerson has definitely done his part to broaden both audiences. 

Ten bands who could have made a really good prog album if they'd tried.

• Asia (Four prog masters together, why didn't they try just once?)
• Magnum (They wouldn't have to develop their some of their tracks that much)
• Boston (Most of the right ingredients are already there)
• 10CC (Under achievers, they were capable of more)
• Deep Purple ("Child in time", "Mistreated" etc. showed they could have done it)
• Journey (Great voice, great guitar, but never went beyond melodic rock)
• Rainbow ("Stargazer" is a masterpiece)
• Dire Straits ("Telegraph road" shows they could do it)
• Mountain ("Nantucket sleighride" was pretty close)
• Wishbone Ash (Probably made it with "Argus")
• Marillion (Only joking Certif1ed!!)

Most Overrated Prog Albums:

1.The Lamb Lies Down On Broadway.

(lyrical twaddle, not enough music, the Emperors New Clothes comes to mind.)

2.Pictures At An Exhibition.

(puts the pompous in pomp.This album is 100% drivel although not as embarrassing as the track Pirates on Works.)

3.Misplaced Childhood

(Side 2 is rubbish,no other way to describe it really,especially as side 1 is sublime)

4.Relayer

(Patrick Moraz-bah!)

5. Larks Tongues In Aspic

(makes Angelwitch sound musical)

6. Journey To The Centre Of The Earth

(just as God was about to rest on the 7th day, he wrote this and blew it!)

7. Myths And legends Of King Arthur..

(and then only trundled on for an 8th day and came up with this garbage!)

8.And Then There Were Three

(the poison dwarf on drums, vocals and my nerves)

9.Tubular Bells

(about as cool as Oxford Bags)

10.2112

(sublime rock album, but about as prog as Iron Maiden...

Reed Lover wrote: Most Overrated Prog Albums: 1.The Lamb Lies Down On Broadway. (lyrical twaddle, not enough music, the Emperors New Clothes comes to mind.) 2.Pictures At An Exhibition. (puts the pompous in pomp.This album is 100% drivel although not as embarrassing as the track Pirates on Works.) 3.Misplaced Childhood (Side 2 is rubbish,no other way to describe it really,especially as side 1 is sublime) 4.Relayer (Patrick Moraz-bah!) 5. Larks Tongues In Aspic (makes Angelwitch sound musical) 6. Journey To The Centre Of The Earth (just as God was about to rest on the 7th day, he wrote this and blew it!) 7. Myths And legends Of King Arthur.. (and then only trundled on for an 8th day and came up with this garbage!) 8.And Then There Were Three (the poison dwarf on drums, vocals and my nerves) 9.Tubular Bells (about as cool as Oxford Bags) 10.2112 (sublime rock album, but about as prog as Iron Maiden...

Do you like prog rock??!

All quoted sections from Reed Lover post:

2.Pictures At An Exhibition. (puts the pompous in pomp.This album is 100% drivel although not as embarrassing as the track Pirates on Works.)

1. Pictures at an Exhibition (By Modest Mussorgski) is one of the peaks of the Nationalist late Romantic/early Modern Russian Classical Period, it was created to be pompous because MUSSORGSKI tried to express the proud he was about Russia and it's music in comparison with the rest of Europe. You can't blame ELP for what Mussorgski did.
2. ELP is a pompous band (though they can be lyrical and romantic sometimes), and that's probably what I like most of them.
3. Prog' Rock is a pompous genre.

So, What do you expected?

4.Relayer (Patrick Moraz-bah!)

Patrick Moraz Bah????? I believe he's in the same level of the best keyboardist, some time try to watch the Yes at QPR DVD, the guy is spectacular and has a perfect style.

5. Larks Tongues In Aspic (makes Angelwitch sound musical)

King Crimson is not my cup of tea, but LTIA is a classic album, probably the best KC released after ITCOCK.

6. Journey To The Centre Of The Earth (just as God was about to rest on the 7th day, he wrote this and blew it!)

I'm starting to believe you have something against keyboardists, if you don't like pompous music, then Prog' is not the genre for you.

7. Myths And legends Of King Arthur.. (and then only trundled on for an 8th day and came up with this garbage!)

You can say you don't like this album, it's your opinion, but calling it garbage is way too much.

8.And Then There Were Three (the poison dwarf on drums, vocals and my nerves)

I don't like Collins as vocalist (He also breaks my nerves), but to deny he's one of the best drummers is against reason. Anyway, I hate this album too.

9.Tubular Bells (about as cool as Oxford Bags)

Taken from Merrian-Webster Online

Cool: FASHIONABLE 1 <not happy with the new shoes... because they were not cool -- Celestine Sibley> Fashionable: conforming to the custom, fashion , or established mode

Prog' is, was and will never be cool, prog' is intelligent, elaborated and complex, just the opposite of cool. Rap, Pop, Hip Hop and Dance can be considered cool music (By those who like this genres) because it's fashion.

Prog was never a fashion and in no way it's a genre conforming to the custom, in other ways Prog Rock is the opposite of cool, proggers usually are unpopular, the genre is too hard to understand to be considered cool.

Agree 100% with Threefates question DO YOU LIKE PROG ROCK???!

Iván

What I feel are prog masterpieces... and I'm sure you won't be surprised... thats why I haven't done this yet... but

1. ELP - Brain Salad Surgery
2. ELP - Tarkus
3. ELP - Trilogy
4. King Crimson:  ITCOTCK
5. Pink Floyd - Animals
6. Pink Floyd - Division Bell
7. Yes - Close to the Edge
8. ELP - ELP
9. ELP - PAAE
10. Yes - The Yes Album

Underrated:

1. Jon Anderson - Olias of Sunhillow
2. Gryphon - Red Queen to Gryphon Three
3. Renaissance - Ashes are Burning
4. Pink Floyd -  AMLOR
5. David Gilmour - David Gilmour
6. Alan Parsons Project - Try Anything Once
7. ELP - Works 1
8. Strawbs - Ghosts
9. Porcupine Tree - In Absentia
10. Alan Parsons Project - I Robot

ivan_2068 wrote: All quoted sections from Reed Lover post: 2.Pictures At An Exhibition. (puts the pompous in pomp.This album is 100% drivel although not as embarrassing as the track Pirates on Works.) Pictures at an Exhibition (By Modest Mussorgski) is one of the peaks of the Nationalist late Romantic/early Modern Russian Classical Period, it was created to be pompous because MUSSORGSKI tried to express the proud he was about Russia and it's music in comparison with the rest of Europe. You can't blame ELP for what Mussorgski did. ELP is a pompous band (though they can be lyrical and romantic sometimes), and that's probably what I like most of them. Prog' Rock is a pompous genre. So, What do you expected? 4.Relayer (Patrick Moraz-bah!) Patrick Moraz Bah????? I believe he's in the same level of the best keyboardist, some time try to watch the Yes at QPR DVD, the guy is spectacular and has a perfect style. 5. Larks Tongues In Aspic (makes Angelwitch sound musical) King Crimson is not my cup of tea, but LTIA is a classic album, probably the best KC released after ITCOCK. 6. Journey To The Centre Of The Earth (just as God was about to rest on the 7th day, he wrote this and blew it!) I'm starting to believe you have something against keyboardists, if you don't like pompous music, then Prog' is not the genre for you. 7. Myths And legends Of King Arthur.. (and then only trundled on for an 8th day and came up with this garbage!) You can say you don't like this album, it's your opinion, but calling it garbage is way too much. 8.And Then There Were Three (the poison dwarf on drums, vocals and my nerves) I don't like Collins as vocalist (He also breaks my nerves), but to deny he's one of the best drummers is against reason. Anyway, I hate this album too. 9.Tubular Bells (about as cool as Oxford Bags) Taken from Merrian-Webster Online Cool: FASHIONABLE 1 <not happy with the new shoes... because they were not cool -- Celestine Sibley> Fashionable: conforming to the custom, fashion , or established mode Prog' is, was and will never be cool, prog' is intelligent, elaborated and complex, just the opposite of cool. Rap, Pop, Hip Hop and Dance can be considered cool music (By those who like this genres) because it's fashion. Prog was never a fashion and in no way it's a genre conforming to the custom, in other ways Prog Rock is the opposite of cool, proggers usually are unpopular, the genre is too hard to understand to be considered cool. Agree 100% with Threefates question DO YOU LIKE PROG ROCK???! Iván

It seems to me that some of you play right into the hands of those that would sneer at prog rock. This po-faced attitude just makes you sound like nerds. I have been listening to prog develop since 1971, some of the albums I have derided used to be big favourites but sound almost ridiculous now. Rick Wakeman is my hero, his Yes stuff still exhilerates me now, but the King Arthur, Journey To The Centre Of The Earth stuff is almost cringe-inducing to listen to.I have seen ELP live umpteen times in the 70's and they were awesome. That nonesense about Mussorgsky is just patronising, and makes you sound like a character in "Spinal Tap"! No doubt if ELP released a skiffle version of Beethoven's 5th you'd blame that on Beethoven>

James Lee wrote: Every type of music has an element of the ridiculous- human nature almost requires it. Whatever music you like can be attacked (pointlessly) on those grounds. Prog's particular silliness just happens to be out of style (hence the 'cool' definition). If you don't care for pompous music, that's a matter of taste; if you imply that pomposity (or any other element of human expression) has no place in music, you're unlikely to have your opinions taken seriously. Simply making music at all- the hubris to get up and say "listen to me, I have something worth hearing"- requires an act of pomposity on the part of the artist. I don't think a factual and accurate reference to Mussorgsky can be termed "nonesense", no matter how you spell it; in addition, the Russian composer dedicated himself to bringing art to "the masses" and would have likely appreciated the concept (if not the form) of bringing "Pictures" to a rock audience. I've done my share of criticizing the pretentious leanings of prog acts; it's a useless point to make. 'Ideal' music will never happen or has yet to be created, so in the meantime, ask yourself: Would you prefer great music with a few obvious shortcomings or mediocre music with no faults?

I am just saying that you could see the point of the argument about the over-blown nature of some of this work and the fact that tastes move on.

and yes clever clogs we all know Mussorgsky was an inveterate drunk