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Points: 3888 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 29 2007 at 15:09
Dwill,
I think your message was clearWink, excellent choice of drummers nevertheless, Williams, De Johnette and Cobham are too among my favourite drummers!
 
BTW speaking about Jazz rock drumming, the drumming of DeJohnette on 'The Jack Johnson' Sessions is breathtaking. So heavy, funky and subtile at the same time. One of my alltime favourites : when he plays on top of all the polyrhyhmic stuff going on this deep tuned tom that sounds like he's closing a heavy door.
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Points: 12812 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 30 2007 at 04:53
Clearly Cobham DeJohnette & Williams are very special drummers and quite different from each other. Cobham that very muscular, fast but still very precise, Tony Williams with an amazing ability to maintian a rock steady beat for a long time, DeJohnette, more restrained perhaps the less-is-more school of drummers. However, they have impinged upon each other at time - recently Jack DeJohnette (with Scofield and Golding) as Trio Beyond did the Williams tribute Saudades, and musically different from the original Williams version. Then I think on Tony Williams In Tokyo live album (I think that is available from Brian Auger's website????), Billy Cobham guests and we get a drum battle. BTW Cobham and Gary Husband drum battle on Cobham's Time Traveler.
 
I'm looking forward to hearing the completeTrio of Doom recordings promised by Sony this year, with Tony Williams in tandem with Jaco P as the rhythm section.
 
 
 
 
np Hectic Watermelon's The Great American Road Trip - new fusion with Jerry Goodman guesting on many tracks
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I never was a great fan of Billy Cobham (though technically he is of course an excellent drummer).  He reminds me a bit of a Poltergeist at times, playing too much and too loud where less would have been more. He was best on the first album of the Mahavishnu Orchestra, "The Inner Mounting Flame", although his tendency of playing too much can already be heard there too.


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Originally posted by BaldFriede BaldFriede wrote:

I never was a great fan of Billy Cobham (though technically he is of course an excellent drummer).  He reminds me a bit of a Poltergeist at times, playing too much and too loud where less would have been more. He was best on the first album of the Mahavishnu Orchestra, "The Inner Mounting Flame", although his tendency of playing too much can already be heard there too.
If you can find it I'd like to suggest you give a listen to Billy Cobham's "Picture This" cd.  I think you might be surprised how much his drumming flows with the music and doesn't over power it.  Relatively speaking it is a much more mellow release of his.
 
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Not sure if he's been said yet in this thread (though he probably hasn't) but John Scofield is a VERY underrated jazz rock/fusion/funk writer/composer/guitarist. IMO he's by far the best jazz guitarist out there. Some of his most notable albums are Blue Matter, Loud Jazz, Electric Outlet, A Go Go(with MMW.) Ahh I could go on forever. He's one of my favorite artists.
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Points: 12812 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 01 2007 at 11:09
 
 
This is what is getting me currently abuzz wrt Scofield - his work with nu.fusionist Bugge Wesseltoft.
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Scofield is as extremely gifted artist who knows how to be a crowd pleaser. His engaging and sickly sweet style is hard to ignore, yet invites a degree of caution from yours truly. Designed music, as opposed to music felt, IMO.
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Hi jazz rock friends!
 
I would like to ask your opinion on Weather Report. I see that few people write reviews on them, and some of their most famous works are somehow neglected here (Misterious Traveller) although highly rated.

In particular, the only collaborator to have reviewed Misterious Traveller is the neo-prog specialist Greenback!Confused (Confused is not for your review, Greenback. It's only because it's strange that the unique collaborator to have reviewed such an album is from the neo-prog team...!Embarrassed).
 
 
I'm not a connoisseur of the genre and I only now am starting to enlarge my knowledge, after Mahavishnu, Return to Forever and some other italian stuff like Arti & Mestieri and Perigeo.
 
Can you please help me?
 
Thanks in advance.Smile


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Uhm, my friend Andrea Corterse... Is a very surprise for me that the Weather Reporter  be in PA because they are 100% Jazz!!! In every case very good group!!!
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Points: 12812 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 13 2007 at 06:22
Originally posted by Andrea Cortese Andrea Cortese wrote:

Hi jazz rock friends!
 
I would like to ask your opinion on Weather Report. I see that few people write reviews on them, and some of their most famous works are somehow neglected here (Misterious Traveller) although highly rated.

In particular, the only collaborator to have reviewed Misterious Traveller is the neo-prog specialist Greenback!Confused (Confused is not for your review, Greenback. It's only because it's strange that the unique collaborator to have reviewed such an album is from the neo-prog team...!Embarrassed).
 
 
I'm not a connoisseur of the genre and I only now am starting to enlarge my knowledge, after Mahavishnu, Return to Forever and some other italian stuff like Arti & Mestieri and Perigeo.
 
Can you please help me?
 
Thanks in advance.Smile


Personally the Jaco period  Weather Report takes second place to the earlier Weather Report discovering that discernable WR's sound, the mix of world, funk and jazz rock. Therefore I much prefer Tales Spinnin' and Mysterious Traveler - Alphonso Johnson was the man at the time on bass. Jaco is my man for what he did to Joni Mitchell's mid 70's folk and jazz rock fusion albums - also like his contribution to the neglected album he did with the Bireli Lagrene Trio. Also check out the granddaddy of above ground jazz rock groups Tony Williams Lifetime, e.g. Emergency (seminal even for the poor in-studio aural qulaity), Turn It Over
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Points: 4411 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 13 2007 at 06:27
Thanks Dick, I will start with Misterious Traveller and Tales Spinnin' then (the remastered reissues).Wink
 
How about Black Market?
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Originally posted by Mandrakeroot Mandrakeroot wrote:

Uhm, my friend Andrea Corterse... Is a very surprise for me that the Weather Reporter  be in PA because they are 100% Jazz!!! In every case very good group!!!
 
I strongly dissagre with the above opinion. Black Market is a jazz-rock materpiece and their true blueprint. The early Mysterious Traveller is, however, a strange hybrid, or rather displays the moving from ethnic flavoured jazz with little jazz-rock structures to their later heavy fusion, and I can not begin to like it despite I have tried several times. Also I have yet to listen to the selftitled album.
Anyway Black Market it's so good, that should rate - imo - in the top 20 albums of this site. It's also a great eye opener, it was one of the things that got me into prog, along Floyd's "Pompeii", Atomic Rooster's easy to understand, almost didactic prog, and Nektar's blend of Space, Psyche and Symphonic.


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Originally posted by andu andu wrote:

Originally posted by Mandrakeroot Mandrakeroot wrote:

Uhm, my friend Andrea Corterse... Is a very surprise for me that the Weather Reporter  be in PA because they are 100% Jazz!!! In every case very good group!!!
 
I strongly dissagre with the above opinion.


Andu how can you disagree with what I prefer to listen to - and it is NOT an opinion. Sure, if you want an unbiassed opinion, for the uninitiated Black Market will be a mind-blower - but I've been familiar with that album from the day of it original release, and the over-exposure of certain tracks on radio etc, so I've moved on. Besides the thread -author commented on Mysterious Traveler, so I've commented/recommended my favourite WR Tales Spinnin'
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Wow, added Black Market to the list. Thanks andu for your passionate help.Smile
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Points: 3089 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 13 2007 at 06:56
Originally posted by Dick Heath Dick Heath wrote:

Andu how can you disagree with what I prefer to listen to - and it is NOT an opinion.
 
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Originally posted by Dick Heath Dick Heath wrote:

Sure, if you want an unbiassed opinion, for the uninitiated Black Market will be a mind-blower
 
See, Andrea, how truth comes through like oil through water? Big%20smile
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Points: 12812 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 13 2007 at 07:05
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See, Andrea, how truth comes through like oil through water? Big%20smile


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However: don't play it to death (savor it as fine wine), and turn your radio off as soon as any tracks from Black Market are played - then it may last longer........................................

Then again might be the difference between a prog rock fan and jazz rock fan, similar to the argument whether Romantic Warrior or Hymn Of The 7th Galaxy is THE RTF album..............WinkBig%20smile
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Originally posted by Dick Heath Dick Heath wrote:

However: don't play it to death (savor it as fine wine), and turn your radio off as soon as any tracks from Black Market are played - then it may last longer........................................
 
I second this advice, but for different reasons. For me, Black Market's impact was/is so strong that in the two years passed since they first blew my mind, I liked it & still like it so much that I can not get over it and like something else they might have achieved. So, be cautious...
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^^^
 
I'm cautious but very interested...
 
I am one of those who were blown away by The Romantic Warrior...Wink
 
But all the three albums recommended of Weather Report are intringuing (Mysterious Traveller, Tales Spinnin' and Black Market).
 
Thanks!!
 
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I've bought a copy of a fantastic jazz rock album:
 
Spectrum by Billy Cobham (1973).
 
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Well, I'm going on with my approach to jazz rock. Some of the albums I found are really stunning at the first listenings.
 
P.S. I still haven't found Bruford's One of a Kind...


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