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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 08 2007 at 19:36
Originally posted by Fassbinder Fassbinder wrote:

Thanks, Guigo!
 
I'd prefer to stick with the original spelling (in case of Portuguese -- with the diacriticised one).
 
And I'd let Baptista to be a proper name, not a simple "material" noun...
 
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HI, Eugene and Guigo:

My mother used to have some of the Mutantes early albums and singles, and I remember their names being written Baptista on the writing credits.  I think that Eugene is right to follow what's written on the LP or CD labels. But Guigo's information  is also right,: Sérgio did shortened his name for Sérgio Dias in the band's latter day releases. He  even named himself Sergio Dias for his solo CD in the 80's.

I'll try to be very careful about this subject in future line ups. And I appreciate your respect for the artists wish to be named as they (or maybe, their recording company)  wanted.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 08 2007 at 09:40
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 08 2007 at 09:25
Thanks, Guigo!
 
I'd prefer to stick with the original spelling (in case of Portuguese -- with the diacriticised one).
 
And I'd let Baptista to be a proper name, not a simple "material" noun...
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 08 2007 at 09:17
Fine, buddies...Clap
 
Some tips:
1. Sometimes a name is shortened Sergio Dias Baptista may appear as Sergio Dias or Sergio Baptista.
2. Baptista is the family name but the noun is actually writen "batista", that's the reason the 2 forms appear.
3. Also you may have Sérgio or Sergio.
 
My suggestion: leave the names as they are displayed in the CDs; even the artists, for several reasons, change their names.
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 08 2007 at 08:17
Originally posted by Rivertree Rivertree wrote:

Originally posted by Fassbinder Fassbinder wrote:

I left the diacritics as they were typed originally (Uwe, your information doesn't contain diacritics, except for the track 12).


I have to be more careful - maybe it would be better a Bazilian member cares about this ...
10. Adeus Maria Fulô (2:42) -- I didn't think you're not careful, Uwe. I thought that the info you have lacks some diacritics, itself.
Track 10 is OK since the diacritic sign was present already.
It's always preferable to be helped by the native speakers, in such cases. 

Originally posted by Fassbinder Fassbinder wrote:

I removed the Portuguese translations of the English titles, but for the safety they are still written somewhere at a piece of paper at my table. Should they be maintained (in other words, were they a part of official track list)?


Most of the sites I searched after you posted that notice are listing the tracks with Portuguese translations. So I think it would be better to give them a try once more  -- I'll return the translations I formerly removed. There were only two: track 4. (Minha Menina) and track 5 (Desculpe Baby).


 
EDIT: "Desculpe Baby" is track 9, not 5 -- my fault. By the occasion, I've added also the track 5 Portuguese translation (I've taken it from the newly added album)...


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 08 2007 at 07:48
Originally posted by Fassbinder Fassbinder wrote:

I left the diacritics as they were typed originally (Uwe, your information doesn't contain diacritics, except for the track 12).


Embarrassed  I have to be more careful - maybe it would be better a Bazilian member cares about this ...
10. Adeus Maria Fulô (2:42)

Originally posted by Fassbinder Fassbinder wrote:

I removed the Portuguese translations of the English titles, but for the safety they are still written somewhere at a piece of paper at my table. Should they be maintained (in other words, were they a part of official track list)?


Most of the sites I searched after you posted that notice are listing the tracks with Portuguese translations. So I think it would be better to give them a try once more Embarrassed




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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 08 2007 at 07:22
1 Tecnicolor is updated.
 
2. I left the diacritics as they were typed originally (Uwe, your information doesn't contain diacritics, except for the track 12).
 
3. I removed the Portuguese translations of the English titles, but for the safety they are still written somewhere at a piece of paper at my table. Should they be maintained (in other words, were they a part of official track list)?
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 08 2007 at 06:52
Originally posted by Tarcisio Moura Tarcisio Moura wrote:

However, it seems that the label made the mistake to include Rita Lee as playing keyboards. At that time she was mainly a singer and it´s unlikely that  she ever played anything more than the occasional percussion up to then.


Yes - I think you're right - Tarcisio - many thanks for the info. Clap
We should leave it as it is noticed by the label ...


BTW - do you know why Sérgio is listed as Sérgio Dias and not Sérgio Dias Baptista
on the cover of Ao Vivo Barbican Theatre?
Maybe it is usual in Brazil to shorten names? Or do you judge it as a mistake?


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 08 2007 at 06:39
Originally posted by Atkingani Atkingani wrote:

IMO it shall be added (even being controvertial). The matter is I did not find any information in English to make available here to the Discographies Team.
 


Just added to the database
Ao Vivo - Barbican Theatre Londres 2006






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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 07 2007 at 23:06
Let's see if I can show the cover now:
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 07 2007 at 23:04
Hi, Tarcisio!
 
IMO it shall be added (even being controvertial). The matter is I did not find any information in English to make available here to the Discographies Team.
 
I may be heretic now but considering the flamboyant career of Rita Lee in the last 30 years I'm tasting wholeheartedly this return, even with Zelia Duncan in the vocals. Well, I like Duncan's solo works much more than Lee's. Smile 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 07 2007 at 22:56
Originally posted by Atkingani Atkingani wrote:

Ok, but what to do with this CD/DVD release?
 
 
It's official: Mutantes Ao Vivo - Barbican 2006



HI, Guigo:

How are you? This DVD/CD is quite controvertial, isn´t it? I did not see it yet, just saw one of their numbers on TV. It´s valid, I think. At least the two brothers are on board. But I don´t think that magic can be capture again. What do you think? Obviously it has to be included in their discography.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 07 2007 at 22:06
Ok, but what to do with this CD/DVD release?
 
 
It's official: Mutantes Ao Vivo - Barbican 2006
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 07 2007 at 20:58
Originally posted by Rivertree Rivertree wrote:

Technicolor

Album name is Tecnicolor according with the cover art

1. Panis Et Circenses (2:13)
2. Bat Macumba (3:19)
3. Virginia (3:25)
4. She's My Shoo Shoo (2:55)
5. I Feel A Little Spaced Out (2:53)
6. Baby (3:39)
7. Tecnicolor (3:57)
8. El Justiciero (3:54)
9. I'm Sorry Baby (2:44)
10. Adeus Maria Fulo (2:42)
11. Le Premier Bonheur Du Jour (2:49)
12. Saravá (3:00)
13. Panis Et Circenses (Reprise) (1:24)

Total Time: 38:54

- Arnolpho Lima Filho / bass
- Rita Lee / keyboards, vocals
- Arnaldo Dias Baptista / keyboards, vocals
- Ronaldo Leme / percussion, drums
- Sérgio Dias Baptista / guitar, vocals





Hi, Rivertree:

It´s interesting to see the line up for this CD that was released more than 20 years after it was recorded!  The line up, according to my sources, is correct. However, it seems that the label made the mistake to include Rita Lee as playing keyboards. At that time she was mainly a singer and it´s unlikely that  she ever played anything more than the occasional percussion up to then.

Anyway, thanks for the help to fulfill so many gaps in their discography.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 07 2007 at 09:23
Technicolor

Album name is Tecnicolor according with the cover art

1. Panis Et Circenses (2:13)
2. Bat Macumba (3:19)
3. Virginia (3:25)
4. She's My Shoo Shoo (2:55)
5. I Feel A Little Spaced Out (2:53)
6. Baby (3:39)
7. Tecnicolor (3:57)
8. El Justiciero (3:54)
9. I'm Sorry Baby (2:44)
10. Adeus Maria Fulo (2:42)
11. Le Premier Bonheur Du Jour (2:49)
12. Saravá (3:00)
13. Panis Et Circenses (Reprise) (1:24)

Total Time: 38:54

- Arnolpho Lima Filho / bass
- Rita Lee / keyboards, vocals
- Arnaldo Dias Baptista / keyboards, vocals
- Ronaldo Leme / percussion, drums
- Sérgio Dias Baptista / guitar, vocals




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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 06 2007 at 10:08
Thanks both Uwe and Tarcísio!
 
1. Tudo Foi Feito Pelo Sol times are updated.
 
2. A Divina Comedia... line-up information is updated.
 
3. Mutantes line-up:
     a) Liminha's credit is deleted (we always can add him back if there will be revealed new facts);
     b) Ze Do Rancho and Mariazinha case will be taken up with the Errors & Omissions Team.
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 06 2007 at 08:50
Hi, Eugene:
 
As for the Mutantes third LP, A Divina Comédia Humana ou Ando Meio Desligado (1970), the line up is (as much as I could research):
 
Rita Lee _ Vocals, effects.
Arnaldo Dias Baptista - Vocals, Bass, Organ, Piano, effects.
Sérgio Dias Baptista - Guitars, vocals, voice box.
 
Guests:
 
Ronaldo Leme (Dinho) - Drums
Arnolpho Lima Filho (Liminha) - Bass (2, 4, 6 & 7)
Nana Vasconcelos - Percussion (1, 4)
Raphael Vilardi - backing vocals (6), acoustic guitar (8)
Rogério Duprat - Orchestral arrangements.
 
Best regards
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 06 2007 at 08:22
Originally posted by Rivertree Rivertree wrote:

Originally posted by Fassbinder Fassbinder wrote:


By the way, some of Os Mutantes albums lack important information, like lines-up, for examples. Do you have any information on their other albums?


Tudo Foi Feito Pelo Sol

1. Deixe Entrar Um Pouco D'Água No Quintal (5:04)
2. Pitágoras (6:55)
3. Desanuviar (8:08)
4. Eu Só Penso Em Te Ajudar (4:55)
5. Cidadão Da Terra (5:51)
6. O Contrário Do Nada É Nada (2:55)
7. Tudo Foi Feito Pelo Sol (8:43)

Total Time: 42:31

good album  Clap


 
Hi, Rivertree:
 
Yes, I like that album a lot, even though it may lack the anarchistic sense of humor of their earlier effords. It´s very much a straighforward prog of the 70´s, but I loved it when it came out and I still think it  stands up well, after all those years.
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 06 2007 at 05:49
Originally posted by Fassbinder Fassbinder wrote:


By the way, some of Os Mutantes albums lack important information, like lines-up, for examples. Do you have any information on their other albums?


Tudo Foi Feito Pelo Sol

1. Deixe Entrar Um Pouco D'Água No Quintal (5:04)
2. Pitágoras (6:55)
3. Desanuviar (8:08)
4. Eu Só Penso Em Te Ajudar (4:55)
5. Cidadão Da Terra (5:51)
6. O Contrário Do Nada É Nada (2:55)
7. Tudo Foi Feito Pelo Sol (8:43)

Total Time: 42:31

good album  Clap




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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 05 2007 at 08:03
Originally posted by Fassbinder Fassbinder wrote:

Well, some things are updated.

Assuming that Ze do Rancho and Mariazinha are two different persons I've created two separate entries for each other.

For Liminha -- I wrote his name with a compromiss solution: "- Liminha / unknown", meaning that his performance was a fact, yet the instrument is (still) unknown.

Now, the main line-up -- I've added the instruments you'd mentioned. Look, however, at the instruments here: http://www.proggnosis.com/MUSIC_DBCDInfo.asp?txtCDID=17179 ;

- A.D. Batista / piano, bass, vocals
- S.D. Batista / guitar, violin, vocals
- Rita Lee / flute, harp, vocals
 
Does this list make a sense? Should those instruments be added? Or some of them should be replaced?
 
Also, pay attention to the spelling of Ba(p)tistas. They are mentioned in PA as "Baptista", and I think it is the right spelling, relying on the fact that you're a native speaker of Portuguese.
 
 
HI, Eugene:
 
Well, I´m glad you are so interested in giving the readers such an accurate informations. I´ll try my bestLOL.
 
Yes, indeed Zé Do Rancho and Mariazinha are two persons. In fact, they were a famous folk duo, but as long as they don´t mention who played what instrument and they are mentioned as a duo (the band wanted to have a real hillbilly duo in the first part of the song), I thought it was better to leave it that way. Your decide it.
 
About Liminha: I do´t think it´s worth it even to mention him, since no credit was given in the LP (or the CD)  cover. He may have played on one song, but is that information so important? considering that he later became a member of the group it may lead to assumptions he had indeeed played a major role in the album. Well, again, you decide about it.
 
As for the main line up, I believe there are some mistakes:
 
1) Arnaldo only started to play keyboards in The mutantes records from the third album onwards. that´s the reason Liminha was later recruited to the band, for the live shows.
 
2) I never ever heard that Sérgio Dias played the violin. Neither on record or live.
 
3) Rita Lee only started to play the flute in the mid seventies, long after she left the band. She used to play so auto harp on live shows, but I´m unable to say if she did that in the studio (certainly, she never played the classical harp). 
 
All my informations came from their official biography, which has the collaboration of all the former members of the band. Those kind of mistakes are very common, since, before the release of that book, not much was officially written about their recordings. I´m trying to be as close to the real facts as I can, so I rather rely on what is officially published.
 
I´ll send more information about the next albums as soon as I gather all there is about them.
 
Best regards
 
Tarcísio Moura
 
 
 
 
 
 
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