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MikeEnRegalia 
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 Topic: Akerfeldt accused of using vocal correction sw!Posted: March 30 2007 at 10:58 |
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http://www.progarchives.com/Review.asp?id=116857
  I don't really think that vocal correction software is used on Ghost Reveries ... discuss!  Edited by MikeEnRegalia - March 30 2007 at 18:09 |
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kazansky
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Posted: March 30 2007 at 11:02 |
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what's vocal correction software ? some editting tools ?
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The devil we blame our atrocities on is really just each one of us.
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coleio
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Posted: March 30 2007 at 11:06 |
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As a massive and long time fan of Opeth, I found the review quite amusing.
The constant critque of his voice as 'comic book'.... The suggestion that they need better lyrics  Did the reviewer listen to the album? If you're going to get someone to review Opeth, get someone who knows what progressive metal is. |
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Eat heartily at breakfast, for tonight, we dine in Hell!!
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progismylife
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Posted: March 30 2007 at 11:17 |
Which is why most prog metal fans loath Certif1ed's prog metal reviews. I don't mind the opinion but the way he words stuff is just horrendously biased and bashes prog metal to the extreme. Edited by progismylife - March 30 2007 at 11:18 |
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magnus
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Posted: March 30 2007 at 11:25 |
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The opening is a rather nice mellow guitar"....................
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The scattered jigsaw of my redemption laid out before my eyes
Each piece as amorphous as the other - Each piece in its lack of shape a lie 
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Trickster F.
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Posted: March 30 2007 at 11:31 |
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I remember when I first read Opeth's biography on this website, I had a hearty laugh. "ATTENTION AKERFELDT DOESN'T USE A COMPUTER TO RECORD HIS VOCALS"
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darkmatter
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Posted: March 30 2007 at 11:32 |
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Doesn't this belong in reviews discussion?
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progismylife
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Posted: March 30 2007 at 11:34 |
We sort of twisted Mike's thread to review the review instead of discussing whether or not vocal correction software was used. |
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enteredwinter
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Posted: March 30 2007 at 11:42 |
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Honestly I'm just surprised that Certif1ed showed some appreciation of Opeth. In a recent thread about when Opeth became prog, he seemed to argue that they have never been prog.
So, this is a step in the right direction I suppose. But yeah, I don't understand the vocal correction reference. Is he even accusing them of using the software? Or is he suggesting they use it? I can't tell. If he's accusing them of using it, I am curious as to how he "knows" that they do. What I find ... interesting ... about the guy is that he seems to hold every band to the standards of Gentle Giant. Now, I love GG as much as most other people around here, but comparing their composition style to Opeth seems beyond absurd to me. |
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coleio
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Posted: March 30 2007 at 16:43 |
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Exactly the reason I was so aggravated. Gentle Giant are'nt in the same league as Opeth, in fact they're playing a different sport entirely
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Eat heartily at breakfast, for tonight, we dine in Hell!!
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MikeEnRegalia
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Posted: March 30 2007 at 17:58 |
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Wow, so many responses ... many more than in my thread about the sig image service changes!
 @darkmatter: You're right, I wasn't sure where to post this thread ... but I didn't mean to bash Certif1ed's review. I was simply amused when I read the bit about the vocal correction software (his exact words were "and the "melodic" vocals are flat (in style - vocal correction software is an amazing thing) for the main part"), and I thought that discussing this particular issue would be ... a bit of fun, nothing serious. @coleio, enteredwinter: I agree that it makes little sense to compare any band to Gentle Giant ... you also don't compare every scientist to Einstein, or every classical composer to Mozart. On the other hand you have to have some expectations ... but I'm sure that somewhere between Manowar and Stravinsky there *is* a middle ground. |
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darkmatter
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Posted: March 30 2007 at 20:00 |
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OK, just wondering!
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Trickster F.
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Posted: March 31 2007 at 02:25 |
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I value Certified's opinion on various kinds of music and often tend to agree with him, but, no offense, every review of a metal album makes me raise my eyebrows in sincere surprise.
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OpethGuitarist
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Posted: March 31 2007 at 03:26 |
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or in my case sincere laughter
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back from the dead, i will begin posting reviews again and musing through the forums
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OpethGuitarist
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Posted: March 31 2007 at 03:35 |
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im actually suprised he was able to get through the whole thing without much of a peep
and LOL @ vocal correction software - making up facts is the way to go now right guys? peter gabriel used vocal correction software fyi |
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back from the dead, i will begin posting reviews again and musing through the forums
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Trickster F.
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Posted: March 31 2007 at 04:33 |
Quit being a n00b, man.
It is common knowledge that every death metal band steals the vocals from Decapitated Walrus's myspace and alters them with correction software.
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Visitor13
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Posted: March 31 2007 at 04:37 |
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No idea if he did or not.
Still better than using vocal correction hardware (the more traditional means) - cigs and alcohol. |
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Certif1ed
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Posted: April 03 2007 at 03:02 |
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Using vocal correction software is not a big deal - nearly everyone does these days, it seems, and there is a particular sound you get when it kicks in.
When we do our vocals, for example, we use Antares - but the main thing is to get the performance as accurate as possible, because if a note is too far away, ie a quarter of a tone or more, from the intended note, Antares can get confused and attempt to retune.
There are other, far more subtle artefacts it leaves behind, and I believe I can detect them in the track I mentioned - if I hadn't noticed it, I wouldn't have mentioned it.
It's like when I reviewed Greg Lake's rendition of "Jerusalem", and noted that his intonation went flat.
I have perfect pitch, and it's easy for me to hear when pitches are not as they should be.
The point about "comparing to Gentle Giant" is that this is an open ballpark - I believe that every album on this site can (and should) be compared to others so that a fair and relative marking system is used.
Gentle Giant are demonstrably at the pinnacle of what is achievable in Prog Rock, in terms of compositional techniques - the foundation of the genre, and Genesis are indisputably one of the bands that define what Prog Rock is.
Hence, the comparision is completely fair.
*Next time you have a discussion about my reviews, please extend an invitation to me - I'm flattered that you should wish to discuss my creations, but I'd like to know what you're saying about me so I can defend myself! Edited by Certif1ed - April 03 2007 at 03:13 |
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The important thing is not to stop questioning.
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MikeEnRegalia
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Posted: April 03 2007 at 03:15 |
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^ sorry, I didn't mean to discuss this behind your back ... I should have known that by including a link to your review, the discussion would be more about your review than about the vocal correction software.
 BTW: I actually agree that it makes sense to use vocal correction software to "optimize" the pitch ... I don't have perfect pitch, but quite efficient "relative pitch", and it always annoys me too when vocalist sing slightly flat ... some people don't care at all or don't even notice it to begin with, but for others (like me) it can ruin the entire song. I'd rather have subtle vocal correction than authentic, but flat vocals.  |
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Certif1ed
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Posted: April 03 2007 at 03:22 |
Yes, I listened to the album.
I'm familiar with "growling", and, compared to other growling I've heard, it is comic book sounding. Maybe that's not a technical term - but growling is not a documented technique, so forgive me for making up my own language to describe it.
The lyrics are not exactly Gabriel, Hammill or Fish standard by any stretch of the imagination - and, on the whole, seem shallow to me compared to those luminaries.
I'm afraid you're right, I don't know what Progressive metal is yet - but I am discovering as I listen to more and more of it.
Note: No-one "gets" me to review albums - I do so because I enjoy it and was invited by the site's owners to do so.
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