Reviews discussion

Turion's behavior is very strange, indeed... I don't mind with his ratings but he seems not to respect bands, fans and don't even give a clue if he is concerned with the songs. He writes fairly in English and can make new and more comprehensive reviews, repeating the ratings if he wishes!

People in the VRoom use English-Russian translators a lot in conversations with me and Ansen (and sometimes even the two of us aren't required).

New review up

OpethGuitarist wrote: Again, I don't see how he (Certified) can get away with this on a regular basis. I'd flame him more if I was more immature than I already am. I guess I'll continue to post his crap until someone other than me takes notice.

Edited by Certif1ed - April 02 2007 at 10:22

Certified you really should be in politics. Please stop twisting my words and answer direct questions.

Never understand as in "why other people like it". Of course, accding to guidelines I can't say that, so I dont mind if i look like an idiot when I write that, but w/e makes you happy Cert. Genesis is the most basic of prog bands to understand, whereas a band like Paatos or Kayo Dot is far more complex.

Your continual sarcastic remarks DO indicate a lack of respect, whether you think so or not. You also assume that I somehow am uncultured and haven't "Got" things. I'm not inferring anything. I'm reading and responding.

"As for my ratings and opinions, I explain them very clearly and back up everything I say using FACT that is PROVABLE - not slander or lies of any kind."

1. MikeEnReg. just made a THREAD about how you had false facts in your reviews.

2. You still have not commented on why you made a sarcastic review of Death's first album and then flamed their more progressive one. A move that both me and Ansen thought was extremely rude and childish.

3. You continue to treat me as an inferior in the discussion with comments about Santa, Great Britain humor, etc. I'm not 12, talk to me like an adult.

4. It'd be great if you actually responded to something rather than playing the loop de loop game.

That said, you still act like you're about 14 years old. Of course I realize it's impossible to have civil discussions around here without low blows, manipulating facts, not answering direct questions, and overall just being a plain asshat.

Regardless, have a nice day.

- Joey

EDIT: Also, please point out direct parts in those reviews which you think do not follow guidelines. I never called Genesis NOT PROG like you have done many times towards Opeth and other prog-metal bands. It's incorrect, as in NOT a FACT to call bands like Opeth not prog. You may disagree with them being on this site, you may not even like them, thats completely fine, but to say they aren't prog is ridiculous. I supposed you'd rid the site of all the Neo, Avant, and Fusion as well Cert? Or is that incorrect?


Edited by OpethGuitarist - April 02 2007 at 12:42

by OpethGuitarist (Joey Kelley)
PROG REVIEWER

An unfortunate addition of someone's prog music collection.

That should be the tag for this album. An unfortunate blunder in the history of progressive music. It's not so much that the whole album is awful. Some parts are fairly interesting, that is until you realize there is no point to it. If you will notice, the band has lost all concept of transition in their work. Parts come and go for no apparent reason other than to have change. Sounds are just sploched randomly together and the album Tales is what comes out.

This album reminds me of painters who will just throw colors on a page and see what happens. That's about the same analogy for the music found here. The most noticeable thing to me is the horrid guitar tone that is used. The fact that it is used often makes it worse. It's one of the most annoying tone's I've encountered in the history of music. It's thin and makes you cringe. The bass is also horribly done with heavy vibrations.

Then you have the random playing and note selection. It's not even so much that it isn't in unison. I can appreciate bands where the members more or less "do their own thing". Kong is a good example of this. Here, however, none of this works, everything sounds out of place.

A heavy amount of "doodling" is involved on this album. Howe plays with no real purpose, it's not even that its w**kery, like Dream Theater mostly is, it's that it sounds like some 14 year old kid in his garage toying around with different notes. I can record myself playing random notes just fine, anyone want to buy my work? Anyone think it will be a masterpiece of progressive music? Probably not. However, my name is not nearly as recognizeable as Yes is, so I guess I lose in that match. One can certainly sympathize with Wakeman for leaving after this.

The best thing about this album is you only have to hit "skip" 4 times and the atrocity is over.

Not even recommended for completionists. Unless you want to explain to all your friends why you have this horrid album in your collection.

OpethGuitarist wrote: Certified you really should be in politics. Please stop twisting my words and answer direct questions. Never understand as in "why other people like it". Of course, accding to guidelines I can't say that, so I dont mind if i look like an idiot when I write that, but w/e makes you happy Cert. Genesis is the most basic of prog bands to understand, whereas a band like Paatos or Kayo Dot is far more complex. Your continual sarcastic remarks DO indicate a lack of respect, whether you think so or not. You also assume that I somehow am uncultured and haven't "Got" things. I'm not inferring anything. I'm reading and responding. "As for my ratings and opinions, I explain them very clearly and back up everything I say using FACT that is PROVABLE - not slander or lies of any kind." 1. MikeEnReg. just made a THREAD about how you had false facts in your reviews. 2. You still have not commented on why you made a sarcastic review of Death's first album and then flamed their more progressive one. A move that both me and Ansen thought was extremely rude and childish. 3. You continue to treat me as an inferior in the discussion with comments about Santa, Great Britain humor, etc. I'm not 12, talk to me like an adult. 4. It'd be great if you actually responded to something rather than playing the loop de loop game. That said, you still act like you're about 14 years old. Of course I realize it's impossible to have civil discussions around here without low blows, manipulating facts, not answering direct questions, and overall just being a plain asshat. Regardless, have a nice day. - Joey EDIT: Also, please point out direct parts in those reviews which you think do not follow guidelines. I never called Genesis NOT PROG like you have done many times towards Opeth and other prog-metal bands. It's incorrect, as in NOT a FACT to call bands like Opeth not prog. You may disagree with them being on this site, you may not even like them, thats completely fine, but to say they aren't prog is ridiculous. I supposed you'd rid the site of all the Neo, Avant, and Fusion as well Cert? Or is that incorrect?

OpethGuitarist wrote: @ Norbert I'm calling it poor music, I'm not calling it Not Prog, which is essentially what Certified is deeming as fact in his reviews. Notice the difference. I see poor reviews for Opeth and other bands I enjoy quite a bit, but I never complain about them. I complained about Cert's review because he has an obvious distaste for everything Prog Metal. He doesn't consider it progressive and has more or less a "vendetta" to get them removed from the site. You'll also notice that I have CTTE and Fragile at 4 stars, because I consider them excellent albums. Whereas Cert has never had a positive review for a PM album, as the Death review does not qualify becuase it is a sarcastic one. Go ahead and flame Still Life all you want. You're allowed to give 1 star reviews to albums. However, if you were to review all of Band X's catalog, call all of it Not prog (as in make completely false facts), one would wonder if the reviews were designed to help or to have a soapbox.

[QUOTE=OpethGuitarist] Genesis is the most basic of prog bands to understand, whereas a band like Paatos or Kayo Dot is far more complex.

Edited by Certif1ed - April 03 2007 at 02:52